Anne Hathaway on giving up her veganism: ‘My brain felt like a computer rebooting’

Hayley Baldwin lunches at Fred Segal in West Hollywood

I too like to stand with my arms crossed, hands on shoulders, whilst wearing a billion diamond rings. That’s my favorite way to walk into a room! All while wearing too-dark eye makeup to make me look especially ghoulish. Yes, Anne Hathaway covers the June issue of Tatler and the cover is not great, but it is funny. Anne is a beautiful woman – I’m not sure why they did this to her, but so be it. Anne is currently promoting The Hustle, the remake of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels with Rebel Wilson. In this Tatler piece, Anne talks about dropping her veganism for some fresh fish and what it’s like being 36 years old in an industry obsessed with youth.

On being an actress: “I was always told that once I turned 35 I would turn into a pumpkin and never get a good part again. It makes me sad that the world tells me my skin is somehow less valuable than it used to be, but I don’t listen and I don’t agree. I get so tickled by being invited to the show.”

On giving up alcohol: “My issue is I just love it. So. Much. But the way I do it makes me unavailable for my son. My last hangover lasted for five days. I’d earned it: it was a day drinking session with friends that went into an evening birthday party with one of my drinking buddies. I will never be that person who can nurse a glass of wine throughout an entire evening.”

On where she would be if she wasn’t an actress: “In the gutter? I could have seen myself being a teacher. Or going into the military. Or being some kind of do-gooder with a death wish. But more likely than anything else I would have been an alcoholic.”

On giving up veganism while out to dinner in Iceland with Matt Damon: “We walk into a Michelin-star restaurant and because Matt is the nicest guy he says: ‘I’ll just have whatever the chef wants to serve me.’ And my husband – who had just completed a year of veganism – says, ‘Me too.’ I was like: ‘Sweetie, he’s having a reindeer carpaccio…’ So then I was the only chick and I’m the vegan and everyone’s just going with the flow. So I asked, ‘Is your fish local?’ And they said: ‘Do you see that fjord?’ So I had a piece of salmon and my brain felt like a computer rebooting.’”

Michael Caine gave her marriage advice: ‘Michael and I don’t really have a ring-you-up sort of relationship. But he’s always very warm and lovely when we run into each other. He gives me marriage advice. Separate bathrooms. When he told me that, I laughed and he looked at me and said, “I’m serious, it’s such an important part of the marriage.”’

[From Tatler]

The “separate bathrooms” comment is one piece of advice that seems to be everywhere, given by everyone. The only time I’ve ever had to share a bathroom was when I was in college and I absolutely loathed it. I sometimes wonder if that’s one of the minor reasons why I avoided marrying – I want my bathroom to myself, damn it. But I’m like that about all of my “spaces.” As for her vegan-breaking story… I think it’s interesting that she says it like that: “my brain felt like a computer rebooting.” I have never even attempted to go vegan because I fear it would be the same for me – like, I wouldn’t be able to think properly if I didn’t have chicken, bacon and ice cream on the table (at least theoretically).

Anne Hathaway seen leaving Radio 6

Photos courtesy of WENN, cover courtesy of Tatler.

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  1. ByTheSea says:

    Agree to disagree on the cover. LOL She looks amazing to me. It’s not meant to be pedestrian; it’s over the top and glamorous.

    • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

      Yeah, she looks fine per say….there’s a nice balance. Sure her fingers are covered in rings, but no other jewelry.

    • Esmom says:

      I like the idea in theory, too, but whatever they did to her eyes is scary looking to me. It barely looks like her, imo.

      • tamimi says:

        It looks like they copy-pasted her eyes from another photo they took onto that cover one. Agree, it’s really odd.

      • Slowsnow says:

        It looks like she got punched on the right eye?! Don’t understand how you can not see it.

      • Amy says:

        Isn’t that funny? I thought the make up made her look more beautiful!

    • Kris says:

      Yes!! I love this cover. It’s striking. And I love the billion diamond rings.

    • DiegoInSF says:

      I love it too, she looks super glamorous! It’s not the People cover 🙄

    • tealily says:

      I’m sorry, can’t focus on what you’re saying. Distracted by corpse eyes…

    • SilentStar says:

      I love her look on this cover! She looks great with smoky eyes and a reserved glamour. Love it. It’s great as a “sometimes” look (which a lot of other celebrities should realize as well).

  2. Zan says:

    I don’t see the point of having 2 bathrooms, it’s such a #firstworldproblem..

    On another note : « I too like to stand with my arms crossed, hands on shoulders, whilst wearing a billion diamond rings. That’s my favorite way to walk into a room! » That’s hilarious! :) Have a good week-end everyone!

    • Ader says:

      You’re gonna turn your nose up at my setup: The hubs and I have separate bedrooms and bathrooms. Best decision ever. And we’re not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, we just don’t live in or near a city, and therefore get more bang for the buck.

      • styla says:

        Same here! I have my own bedroom, closet and bathroom and I am SO HAPPY its ridiculous. As women we give up so much of ourselves when becoming wives, chasing careers and becoming mothers. This is the one little shard left of me and its essential.

      • Slowsnow says:

        What? I LOVE sleeping with someone, every night, waking up and spooning a bit, then snuggling… Nope, not for me.
        That said two bathrooms, althought impossible in London for a family of 6, would be awesome.

      • Harryg says:

        Sounds great, Ader and Styla!
        Every woman needs her own bathroom and a womancave. Not always possible I know, but it seems women are always the last to have their own space unless they fight for it.

      • Esmom says:

        I sleep a million times better when my husband is out of town. So I get it. When my mom had surgery a few years ago she kicked my dad out of the bedroom, saying she couldn’t have any movement from him or she’d be in pain. Not surprisingly they kept up the arrangement even after she recovered.

        As for separate bathrooms, that would just be one more for me to clean so I can’t really fathom that. But I do try hard to make sure we are never getting ready at the same time. Luckily our work schedules allow for that.

      • aang says:

        I have my own bedroom and bathroom too. I love my husband but my own space is essential to maintaining that feeling. Slowsnow, I sleep with my cats. Purring > snoring. They even have a cat flap so they can come and go from my room at their leisure. The only ones with that privilege. My daughter is very concerned with animal welfare and flirted with veganism. I told her absolutely not. She has agreed to locally sourced pasture raised eggs, and wild caught, sustainable fish once or twice a week. I’m not willing to put in the work to make a vegan diet work.

      • Anastasia says:

        We do, too. We’ve been married 28 years and I used to be so judgey about separate bedrooms. But then my husband started snoring so badly it was like Darth Vader having an asthma attack. I could NOT SLEEP.

        And then we got a third dog and for being small dogs, they sure stretch out and take up ALL of the king-sized bed (I barely fit). (But I love sleeping with them–none of them shed, either.)

        PLUS, for the first time in either of our lives, we could do each bedroom as WE wanted! Husband’s bedroom is a pretty sage green with gray accents (gray depresses me, so I would never have done that). I got the master bedroom and I boho-ed it up, paining the walls this beautiful deep blue (it’s a big room so it works) and using coral and lime green accents. I LOVE my room.

        And since it’s more convenient, I have the master bath and he re-did the hall bath to his tastes (which are good–I just said no gray, LOL).

        WE LOVE IT SO MUCH.

      • I'm With The Band says:

        My man is a next-level snorer, so it’s down the other end of the house in another bed for me. Would love my own bathroom, but that ain’t gonna fly. Will just have to continue to live vicariously through home renovation shows for now.

      • Adrianna says:

        I have my own bedroom, closet and bathroom. I love it. He loves his bedroom too. There’s something to be said about shutting the light out after a reading session, throwing the book on the empty side of the bed and drifting off to a nice peaceful sleep with nothing but utter silence filling the darkness. Neither one of us would ever go back to the various annoyances of sharing a room and bed.

      • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

        Omg! Shame on all you ladies! How shallow and selfish you all are…absolutely pitiful.

        The hubs and I are just a couple years shy of being together for 30 years (that shocks me), and the best thing in the world, hands down, is personal bedrooms and bathrooms! A snoring spouse simply doesn’t facilitate a good night’s sleep, and me being the only female for so long, trust me, those boys are not allowed to use my bathroom lol. My bathroom is for toilet sitters ONLY. :D

      • Yati says:

        I’m so happy to hear I’m not the only one who has their own bedroom. It works for me and I value my solitude so much. I was concerned if it would affect how my son sees us or our relationship but I tell myself I need my space and also I’m nicer in the morning. So win win!!

    • LadyMTL says:

      My brother snores like a buzzsaw and I honestly don’t know how my SIL manages to share a bed with him every night. A few years ago he and I had to share a hotel room when we were on a family trip, and by the 2nd night I was ready to smother him in his sleep. I’m not married, but if my hypothetical hubby snored the way my brother does I think he would have to have his own room, just for the sake of my sanity, lol.

      As for the bathrooms, I think having 2 sinks would be a good idea, but two bathrooms might be a bit much? I guess if you have the space and the money, why not?

      • Rachel says:

        Your SIL probably just uses earplugs, that’s what I do. Problem solved.

      • Anastasia says:

        @Rachel: even the best earplugs I could find didn’t help me.

      • Kitten says:

        I sleep with easrplugs every damn night–have for over a decade now–and they are useless when my BF is snoring. Same for when my boy cat is crying for food in the AM.

      • JAC says:

        I find snoring relaxing, so people snoring next to me doesn’t bother me at all.

      • NYC_Girl says:

        One of my exes snored so loud I couldn’t sleep next to him – we slept separately. The majority of our relationship was long distance – he was in London (and a Brit) and I was in NYC. I lived with him briefly in London and we slept in separate bedrooms. We would have some time together in bed in the mornings, but otherwise…. it was cool for both of us.

      • Susan says:

        Earplugs don’t work to drown out snoring but even if they did, they aren’t ideal because then you can’t hear any other noises in the case of an emergency or if you have kids, etc.

    • KidV says:

      We have separate bathrooms. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I have the master bath, my husband has the hall bath. I don’t have to deal with his shaving/grooming stuff, he doesn’t deal with my makeup.

      I noticed my parents have migrated to that too, only my dad got the master bathroom (it’s smaller) and my mom got the hall bathroom.

      I think it becomes common in homes that are kid-free.

    • knotslaning says:

      Having 2 bathrooms in NYC is unheard of unless you are wealthy. My fam of 4 share 500 sq ft and just deal!

  3. Billbop says:

    We just rewatched Dirty Rotten Scoundrels and I am trying to figure out why they are redoing it with woman playing Martin and Caine. That movie is a feminist’s dream, a woman totally bested the men!!! So is a man going to fool the two women in the remake?

    Why mess with this movie? Sigh… Hollywood, I am so sick of remakes (esp just switching male main characters with females) and Superheros… I know they make lots of money, but many of us are tuning out.

    • Harryg says:

      Agree. I love that movie and won’t see Hustle, I don’t like Wilson.

    • BeanieBean says:

      And based on an even older movie called Bedtime Story, with Marlon Brando, David Niven, and Shirley Jones. I saw it when I was a kid, and can’t remember if I liked it or not. I do know it’s not my favorite Brando movie.

  4. Evie says:

    Meh, Anne, always trying to be entertaining and failing – what’s with the throwaway alcoholic line?

    • shirurusu says:

      Hehe yeah she’s always a little off when she’s trying to be relatable. She’s a bit odd really I think. But a great actress and I get very moved by her in a lot of movies so I think she’s ok :)

    • Esmom says:

      Everything I’ve read from her lately about her drinking stops just short of admitting she’s an alcoholic. She dances around it, it’s clearly on her mind, but she doesn’t seem to want to fully embrace the idea that she might have a serious problem. She makes it sound like if she didn’t have a kid she would still be drinking up a storm. I don’t know, I guess it doesn’t really matter as long as she’s given up the substance that she struggles with.

      • tempest prognosticator says:

        Esmom, I agree with your observation. Maybe it’s because she’s a friend of Bill and is trying to remain anonymous.

      • Susan says:

        I was really struck how she made two separate responses about her drinking. You are right..she’s dancing around it almost like she is trying to break the news in slowly until she finally comes out with it. I wouldn’t have pegged her as a binge drinker. Five day hangover? I don’t think I could ever accomplish anything close to that.

    • Slowsnow says:

      I’m always a bit taken aback by the expression “drinking buddies” – what’s up with that? There is no equivalent in the three other languages I speak. You have party buddies, but drinking buddies… Not so much. What I mean is that this is severely ingrained in American culture, from the college years onward. And alcohol is bad, however you wanna look at it.

      • Samab says:

        Compagno di bevute in italian and yes we’re quite a drinking country,it’s cultural….or at least it was,because now it’s becoming more a party and being strung out thing.

      • Betsy says:

        It used to be that men would go to the bar or the club and they had their drinking buddies (this is back when beer was Pabst and cocktails were thimble sized). Like you didn’t socialize elsewhere with them but it was cordial and friendly. Now it seems to be partners in serious substance abuse.

    • Monicack says:

      It’s her truth not ours to craft. I like her honesty.

    • Lizzie says:

      i think she is in the middle of realizing she is an alcoholic and trying to give up drinking. i don’t think it is a throw away line. i think she is grappling with it, real time.

      • Kk2 says:

        I think people get too caught up in the label “alcoholic” or not when it’s not always that clear. Theres a big spectrum of problematic drinking. She probably wasnt physically dependent like your classic “alcoholic.” But she drank in a problematic fashion so she stopped. I think it’s better to talk about this way actually because a lot of problem drinkers hear “alcoholic” and think not me, in don’t get up and put whiskey in my coffee every day. But it’s more complicated than that and I don’t think whether you call yourself an alcoholic or not is particularly important, for most people.

      • GirlMonday says:

        Well said kk2

      • Snowflake says:

        I agree w KK2. I can go a long time without drinking, or even craving alcohol. I don’t drink when I’m sticking to my diet. But when I do drink, I don’t stop. I just want to keep the buzz going. But i don’t consider myself an alcoholic, I rarely think about drinking. Or miss it when I’m not. So i wouldn’t say I’m an alcoholic. But i limit my drinking to when I’m at home so if i get really wasted, my husband will tell me to go to bed lol. And if i act stupid, that’s ok.

    • Becks1 says:

      I think she is coming to terms with it. I know a few people like that – they drank a lot in college, and just kept going, and stopped in their 30s bc they were just drinking too much. One is very open about it and says kind of what Anne says – she woke up with a horrible hangover one day, thought “I don’t want to do this anymore” and stopped; she says she may drink again in a few years but right now she needs to spend time completely resetting her relationship with alcohol.

      I feel like, for me, many “mom rituals” center around alcohol, and it is very easy to slip into a bad pattern. I don’t drink during the week, and it makes a huge difference in my overall habits.

      But some people need to go completely cold turkey and I can understand that. And I can understanding not knowing quite which label to use.

      • VintageS says:

        I don’t think she’s skirting around the alcohol issue. I think she’s trying to handle it in her own way. I am in the same boat where it’s all or nothing.

        At least she’s not going sanctimonious with it.

      • Becks1 says:

        I didn’t say she was skirting around it, I said she was coming to terms with it.

  5. OriginalRose says:

    I remember a similar line in Girls where Hana says she started eating beef and literally felt herself get stronger with each bite…I know it’s not popular right now but that’s exactly how i feel. I was vegetarian from 1993-2008 and in the final few years i had such bad ibs which has really improved since i reintroduced a bit of meat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ some bodies are just better off with a bit of protein. I absolutely could not be vegan, I’d just feel too ill

    • duchess of hazard says:

      @OriginalRose A lot of you tube vegans have given up veganism due to health reasons, so I guess there might be something there? I do try and have vegan dishes 2-3 days a week though.

      • Susan says:

        I think that’s a smart way of doing it. Reducing your meat consumption but not eliminating any food group entirely.

    • Slowsnow says:

      I am going to be that person: with meat you are just getting a lot of that protein and not just the little bit you need.
      That said, and I say this being mostly on a vegan diet, some of my friends say the same thing about red meat.
      I find it suspicious because some vegetarians around me eat really badly (lots of cheese and potatoes, hardly any veggies or fruit, no pulses). Might that be it?
      Or maybe it’s just some people’s metablism I guess.

      • RR says:

        No it’s Vitamin B12 which is essential for brain and neuro function. You cannot get it from anything other than animal protein. You can supplement it but the supplement does not digest and absorb as well as meat. Long term B12 deficiency leads to permanent irreversible neurological damage. Look it up.

      • Slowsnow says:

        @RR 🙄 Do you really think a vegan has never heard of vitamin B12?! I’m not gonna go into a vortex of explanation but a person who eats meat regulalry in the first decades of his or her life has B12 for a lifetime.

      • Frizzy says:

        A common misconception about protein is that you need a lot of it, amino acids that aren’t used are filtered into the kidneys and excreted. It’s fine to have excess protein (unless you are in renal failure) but it’s not going to benefit you.

    • Tootsie45 says:

      I was very-low-fat vegetarian for 12 years (so mostly vegan) and I didn’t miss meat at all, but when I started eating it again I had a similar feeling. It felt like my brain was both waking up and being calmed down/soothed at the same time. We think about meat in terms of “protein,” but (local, grass-fed, pasture raised, quality) animal products are also full of vitamins, minerals, different kinds of fat, collagen, etc all of which affect our bodies in a myriad of ways. It isn’t just 1+1 = 2 with nutrition – our body reacts to and uses what we consume in a myriad of ways. I know people who feel like a million bucks without animals products, but for whatever reason my body/skin/brain/mood likes meat and dairy. I also wonder if women actually need some of that stuff more, or whether our hormones are more sensitive or something. I feel like I’ve heard that statement a lot more from women, whereas men seem to be able to eat whatever and be like, whatever.

      • aang says:

        Our brains need fat. One thing paleo-anthropologists have linked to an increase in brain size is an increase in animal fat in the proto-human diet. Our brain is our greediest organ calorie speaking and without enough fat and calories it will not grow or function properly.

      • tealily says:

        I really think that’s true. I would add that is possible to be healthy and get all the nutrition your body need as a vegan, but it sure seems like an awful lot of work! Not that my mixed diet is strictly the healthiest diet ever, but I sure don’t have to meal plan as carefully as my vegan friends do.

        My husband was vegan years ago (laughable now, he’s SUCH a meat-eater), and everyone who knew him back then always comments on how thin, pale, and sickly he looked in those days. I think it’s a lot easier for non-meat eaters these days, though, from shopping for groceries to finding meals at restaurants.

      • Frizzy says:

        The type of meat people eat is muscle, and it’s really not full of much. There’s not a lot of b12 or iron in chicken breast. I think a lot of this is psychosomatic. Your vegan husband probably had a poor diet and didn’t supplement properly.

        If you eat organ meat like kidney, liver, etc. there is a ton of micronutrients. That’s how native peoples in cold climates survive — they are not just eating muscle.

    • Anastasia says:

      I find that balance is important: we have meatless meals more often than meals with meat, but we do still eat healthier meats–lean meats, fish, etc.

    • Giddy says:

      Regarding the brain growing; years ago there was an article in the Archeology magazine that I’ve never forgotten. It stated that the brain growth of prehistoric man made a huge leap when man discovered fire and could cook protein.

  6. Lulu says:

    I think the make-up and styling are great, just not in her.
    I’ve heard the same thing from many about veganism. That it’s refreshing and a good detox but not great long-term. After 3 months is usually when most my friends start to feel groggy and get intense cravings. Which is why it’s so important that media figures stop pushing their lifestyles on the general public. So much of what they do is affected by the fact that they are RICH. Better healthcare and premium access and a life of luxury equals great health and a longer life expectancy. Duh. The average person in my opinion does not benefit long-term from any extreme lifestyle.

    • Slowsnow says:

      I’m on a vegan diet but I agree with your take. I’ve been doing it for about 4 years but I started when I had more time to *think* about cooking and anyway I always preferred eating vegetarian. For people who have always beem around vegetarian cooking it’s easy – but for those who reagulalry have a lot of fish or meat or eggs with rice / pasta and a small side of salad it’s tought because you have to revise everything you thought was cooking.
      I love it and cannot imagine eating differently but that’s because I always felt uncomfortable with the way my culture told me to eat.
      However, as long as you reduce meat consumption and eat healthy, that’s ok.
      We shouldn’t put too much pressure on ourselves.
      Even the reason why she broke her vegan diet sounds priviledged.

      • Betsy says:

        Her breaking her vegan diet does sound peak privilege. “I was shooting a film and I was the chick and the salmon was from the fjørd!”

  7. Solange says:

    (Sigh) for the the ten thousandth time:
    1. Plants have protein
    2. If you eat meat you’re eating mostly babies
    3. Bacon had a mom
    Happy mother’s day everyone!

    • OriginalLala says:

      THANK YOU!

      every time you eat an animal you’re supporting an industry that abuses female bodies (artificial insemination etc) , rips babies away from their moms and then kills them as babies. I’d rather not support that shit.

      • Betsy says:

        Eh. I buy my meat from family friends. I see the pasture every time I go eat supper with them.

    • Amy says:

      4. We’re going to all have to get used to eating a LOT more plants if you want the world to remain habitable.

    • Wilady says:

      Something to consider, plants react when harvested, and when nearby things are harvested. Trees in forests allocate resources to one another and actually communicate through fungus networks. They move their roots to grow towards just the sound of running water, change the flavor of their leaves in an instant at the sound of caterpillars crunching leaves (as discovered in experiments with sound recordings). I think we will someday find that eating plants is no kinder than eating animals, and that life just eats life, and that’s the way the planet works. But there are kinder ways to let animals live, 100%, and we should adopt those standards, absolutely, and soon.

      • Slowsnow says:

        I think you are forgetting that we are going through a climate crisis and it’s not only about mercifulness regarding animals only. We are over-fishing and the meat industry is highly polluting. We also eat too much (even plants) and don;t rotate crops which destroys our soils. I don’t know what is the mystery in that.

      • Solange says:

        @Wilady: Thanks. That’s another argument *for* veganism. Meat production uses more plants than just eating plants. If you’re worried about the plants, eat less meat.

      • Jordana says:

        Harvesting plants is not the same. Plants don’t have a nervous system. They are not born of a mother, they don’t scream and shake with fear and cry as they are pushed toward the kill floor.
        People who try to make the “but but but plants feel things too!” As an argument against veganism just dont get it. Because they don’t want to get it. Their confirmation bias.

      • launicaangelina says:

        I’m not a morning person, so I might sound crazy with my contribution today. I am vaguely familiar with some research about plants communicating. We have roses in our yard and I always feel bad when my hubby cuts one off because my son insists on giving me a rose. My son and I will walk around talking to the roses and tell them how beautiful they are. I’m trying to teach him that we don’t need to cut them all the time. 😂

      • Skeptical says:

        So, we’re going raize the natural habitat of many plants and animals so that we can all eat soybean something? Those grain, corn , soybean farms are the farthest thing from conservation of the planet. Great marketing for all the crappy food by-products being labelled as food though.

    • Audrey says:

      Solange – +10000!

    • Tootsie45 says:

      See, I don’t have a problem with death and eating babies. I think it’s part of life, part of nature. I DO have a MASSIVE problem with how 99.9% of the animals in this country are treated, and that includes animals raised for meat and dairy, circus animals, pet stores, people who get dogs and cats and don’t get them fixed or vaccinated, people who chain their dogs up in the back yard and forget about them. I think you can be anti cruelty/suffering and not against the consumption of animal products.

      • Giddy says:

        I agree completely, and my husband is a rancher. However, when he took over the family ranch from his father he changed nearly everything. Our cattle are grass-fed and hormone free. He uses a method of rotating the cattle to new fields every three days. They are in each field just long enough to eat the fresh growth. Their manure is broken up by their hooves and fertilizes the next crop. 28 days later the cattle come back to that field, and the grass and clover have had time to recover and the cycle begins again.

        This method of intensive grazing is more work, but the benefits are huge. The cattle are healthier and easy to work with because they are accustomed to being moved so often. The land was played out, so my father in law used huge amounts of fertilizer and weed repellent. The poison in the weed repellent killed a lot more than weeds. Now there is none used on our ranch. The soil has recovered and the grass and clover practically burst out of the ground. Bees and fireflies have come back, and birds are everywhere. We have even planted special grasses and reeds by ponds for migrating ducks and other birds.

        Sorry for the long post, but it is possible to raise cattle in way that is healthier for the cattle, the consumer, and the land. Insist that your grocer carry grass fed beef. I won’t buy eggs unless they are from free range chickens. We can pressure Congress to pass laws outlawing the cruel ways many animals are raised now. It’s more expensive for the farmer, so we have to be prepared to pay more for ethically raised animals. We have the freedom to choose being a vegan, vegetarian, or not. If we eat meat, eggs and cheese, and drink milk however, we need to pressure huge conglomerates to change their methods of operation.

      • Dara says:

        @Giddy, your ranch sounds amazing, can I come visit? If every ranch and farm operated as yours does, I would be more hopeful for the future of our planet.

      • Lulu says:

        @tootsie45 thank you thank you thank you! +1

    • Anastasia says:

      Yes, I have a SERIOUS problem with the way cattle, pigs, and chickens are treated, raised, and killed. None of it is humane, none. I’m lucky to have found a few farms in the area who still raise and process their own animals, but humanely. Pigs aren’t in gestation cages, EVER. Their chickens are ACTUALLY free-range, they eat bugs and take dust baths, and their coops are kept clean and airy. They actually let you tour the farm to see for yourself. It’s more expensive, but we don’t eat a ton of meat anyway, so we buy from those small farmers.

      And has anyone done a taste test of regular beef and grass-fed beef? My God, the difference is incredible.

      • Skeptical says:

        I am fortunate to have this nearby me as well. Yes, everything tastes better.

        It really suits corporate interests to get every body on mass market foods not human or humane interests.

      • Tootsie45 says:

        I love that you can actually go visit! There are a couple in my area too.

        I think a big problem is that Americans are fed this “lie” about how much animals products are “worth,” so to speak. Everything is supposed to be CHEAP and in BIG quantities. Personally, I feel like I probably eat less animals products (and more variety in them), because the stuff I buy is relatively expensive. I also think that’s a good thing! If you buy high quality animal products, you just naturally wind up eating a lot of pulses and grains and veggies, because it’s too expensive not to. It also makes you more likely to use every last bit (rendering tallow, bones for soups, etc), which I think is more nutritious and more sustainable. Vegan or omnivore, I think we can hopefully all agree that there are better ways than the current system of agriculture and consumption.

    • G says:

      Exactly. Plants have protein. Mushrooms have a protein similar to meat. I’ve been vegan for almost 2 years. Was never into red meat before. I love both healthy food and junk food. Since eating vegan, with some wild fish every few weeks/months (I like to call it seagan) my digestion has become SO regular. No more IBS like symptoms. Struggled a lot with this before. The only supplements I take are CBD. Since having my blood tested 3x in two years being vegan I was sooo surprised that all my results were perfect. No deficiencies at all. Also surprising my iron levels have been elevated but dr says it’s a healthy amount. When I was an omnivore I struggled with anemia on and off for years too. Who knew eating plant based would help that.

    • Ramona Q. says:

      Being a vegan is truly the best and easiest thing you can do for animals, the planet, and for people too! It is the answer to stopping climate change, and no politicians or activists talk about it, so we don’t know! It’s not so much about your car, it’s about your steak.

  8. Wilady says:

    While I see and understand why so many vegans choose veganism- caring for the planet, compassion for animals, etc- so many things I see online make it so counterintuitive and likely harmful to the planet in the end and it boggles my mind. I saw a recipe for making a vegan fried egg that involved fifteen different ingredients that were all from different places, likely each shipped on trucks and planes, created in factories, all ingredients very foreign and weird- when it would just be more conscious to find a happy hen in a backyard, and take her egg instead. It all seemed so backwards to me and just didn’t make any sense. I’ve been vegetarian for 14 years now, but the idea of eating hunted and local game makes sense to me, though I can’t quite bring myself there yet.

    • Erinn says:

      There’s also studies coming out that show vegetarianism is a lot more sustainable for the planet than veganism.

      “The reason for this is simple: the vegan diet leaves too many resources unused. Different crops require different types of land for an adequate yield. Very often nothing can be cultivated on standard pastureland due to the fact that the soil doesn’t provide the necessary nutrients.”

      I’m not a vegetarian, or a vegan. But I do think it’s important that everyone really start getting used to the idea of leaning more heavily on fruit and vegetables – but it’s not going to happen over night. We would be healthier with more fruit/veg in our lives, but there still remains issues with access to quality produce. Not everyone lives in a city, or a warm climate that is rich with access to all kinds of crops/restaurants that cater to vegetarianism. I do struggle with the idea of factory farming, and the killing of animals, and I do try to buy local when I can, from people who I know are taking good care of their livestock. I was a 4-H kid in a small town, and the dairy farm I got my calves from was definitely not the monstrous operation that is often depicted (and that I know happens far too often). But that’s largely a difference between huge factory farms and small, family run ones with people who aren’t assholes running them.

    • OriginalRose says:

      I agree. We live in the age nuance forgot though so everything seems to be one thing or another with no argument in between. I have friends who I honestly believe have become depressed because of the guilt of their impact of just living on this earth. Human are awful, we leave a footprint with everything we do. We can improve it but if we think about it too much we’ll go mad. I’m growing my own vegetables this year and I haven’t been on a plane in 10 years so i’m hoping i’m helping a bit but really unless we live on a homestead in a remote bit of the world we can’t be impact free.

    • Esmom says:

      I agree that those vegan recipes that try to replicate meat based dishes are designed to appease people who are reluctant to give up meat. They are a little ridiculous. Recently I saw a review of a diner that makes “vegan comfort food,” where basically everything was fried. That does not appeal to me at all and clearly isn’t healthy.

      I have no interest in replicating meat, I gave it up because I really just don’t like it. You can eat a healthy, filling vegan meal with just a few ingredients. It will likely just be a bowl of grains and veggies but that’s fine with me. Hopefully the trend of those types of recipes might pass if people would just realize that it’s fine (and better) to eat foods as close to their natural state as possible.

      • Susan says:

        i understood the commenter to not be talking about nonmeat alternatives but rather common foods many vegans eat to get the calories, protein, fat, amino acids and general vitamins and nutrients they might otherwise get from meat and dairy. So things like tropical fruits and quinoa and cashews and avocados and all the various “superfoods” shipped in from around the world. Yes, everyone eats some of those already. But if you remove calorie dense meats and dairy products from your diet, you have to eat a LOT more of those things and they all carry an environmental toll due to importation, not to mention potential environmental and societal effects on the regions they come from. For example, I’ve stopped eating cashews since I’ve learned that the people harvesting cashews are left with horrific sores and burns on their hands from the natural toxins in the plant.

      • Esmom says:

        Susan, She was talking about how a recipe for a “vegan fried egg” took 15 ingredients to make. My point is why the need to replicate a fried egg? The very thing you have given up? An easier way to eat vegan is to embrace that you’re eating plant based foods rather than try to replicate animal products.

    • Betsy says:

      Yes, a lot of vegan food seems very convoluted and the absolute antithesis of environmental. But I applaud your complexity and nuance.

  9. TBE says:

    The meat apologists are triggered by vegetarians and vegans because deep down the meat eaters know what they’re doing is wrong.

    • Slowsnow says:

      LOL shhhhshhh don’t reveal their secrets…

    • OriginalLala says:

      The angry comments people have thrown at me just for existing as a vegetarian is crazy, so I absolutely agree your statement.

      And now I’m sure we will be inundated with people yelling at us to soothe their conscience so I will see myself out and go spend time at the farm sanctuary where I volunteer.

      • Wow says:

        Seriously, just existing as a vegetarian! I don’t even bring it up. A few people noticed after a few meals with me at work and I feel like they beat the drum daily.

        I can’t rationalize the environmental impact of the industrial meat industry. The vast majority of co2 comes from it. No environmental policy will matter unless we reduce our meat consumption as a population drastically. If you eat meat you buy from the store then you are part of the problem.

        I have literally had bacon thrown at me by a college at my last job. It is insane

      • Sunny says:

        Absolutely. I never bring up my vegetarianism (except now haha), but my whole life I’ve had people teasing me, making a big deal out of it, concern trolling or arguing with me unprompted. It’s exhausting. My bf is vegan and also is super low-key about it, but his family is so relentless in making fun of him for it. While I know the “snobby vegan” stereotype can sometimes be true, I’ve mostly just seen it justify a lot of unkind behaviour from everyone else.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Now see that’s interesting because I have never really cared one way or the other in regards to veganism. I say do you. I was a vegetarian myself for a time. But the only negative encounters I have had have been from vegans basically telling me I am a terrible person for eating meat.

      • 2lazy4username says:

        Same. I was a strict vegetarian for 15 years. Then, I had my daughter and, while bf, found myself STARVING all the time. Went back to meat little by little and am now full-on meat eater. Never while being a veggie did I judge others for what they ate. But, wow, do I feel the burn from vegetarians/vegans.

    • Anastasia says:

      You can’t win, though. I was a vegetarian for three years, and I got grief from pretty much everyone who ate meat.

      Then I went back to meat and my vegetarian friends were so mad at me.

      Now I call myself a part-time vegetarian. I rarely eat meat, but when I do, it’s from local farms with humane conditions and minimal processing.

    • GirlMonday says:

      Please don’t speak for what goes on deep down inside of people you don’t know regarding something you don’t do.

      That said, I don’t get (as in understand why it exists—not denying it’s existence) the vegan/vegetarian hate tho. I eat meat, and it would never occur to me to have an opinion about someone else choosing not to.

    • buensenso says:

      it’s kind of impossible to choose what to eat nowadays. people are all crazy about keto, saying grains, legumes, fruit are going to destroy your life, more and more people talk about the carnivore diet and then there are vegans who are all like…you can’t eat meat, you’re a psycho for doing that. it’s immoral and unhealthy. so, I think the whole thing’s out of control.

      • Skeptical says:

        I agree. It’s shows how much anxiety has been ratcheted up around food. And food “experts” are making it worse not better.

    • Zeddy says:

      Nope, deep down we think you’re wrong for prioritizing animals over humans and deep down you know that’s wrong. Me thinks thou doth protest too much…

    • Carmen says:

      Your assumption that people who eat meat know they are doing “something wrong” is so far off the mark I can’t even go there. I have absolutely no compunctions about eating meat, so don’t try to saddle me with some fake guilt trip. Meat in moderation is good for you and nobody is going to make me feel guilty about eating it. Humans are natural omnivores.

    • Courtney says:

      Hahahahaha no.

    • Betsy says:

      I guess if this is how you have crafted your truth from the comments on this page, okay.

  10. KatieBo says:

    I think the problem is that so many people just cut out animal products. They lean heavily into carbs and sugar and, yeah, they’re protein deficient and sluggish. You can’t just eat fries every day. Much like having meat in your diet doesn’t mean you can have burgers every day.
    A vegan diet has been proven to be nutritionally sound. You just have to be educated and make the right choices. You need to know what you’re putting into your body.
    Obviously, everyone’s body is their own and I’m not speaking to everyone’s personal feelings. But largely, the nutritional arguments against veganism are largely misunderstood.

    • Esmom says:

      Yeah, I’m seeing all these comments and not relating. I’ve been vegetarian/mostly vegan (I still eat a bite of cheese now and then) for almost 20 years and I’m healthy and feel great. I never crave meat, don’t miss it at all.

      Maybe part of the reason it doesn’t feel like a chore is that while I grew up eating plenty of meat, I always preferred vegetarian options. I didn’t just cut out meat and replace it with unhealthy non-meat options, either. My diet is full of beans and legumes and nut butters and grains and avocados and other vegetables and fruits that are both nutritious and satisfying. I don’t seek out “vegan shrimp” or other foods that try to replicate animal sources. Giving up meat was sort of gradual process for me, too, which maybe made it easier to sustain.

      • Slowsnow says:

        Same. I’m always surprised with how people eat. My brother in law declared since his teens that he refuses to eat veggies and allows himself to eat an apple or a banana if it has to be. Refuses to eat fish.
        I only see little toddlers eating potato crisps, drinking sodas etc. around me.
        People don’t really take the time to evaluate what they eat and then suddenly decide to take out meat and fish: they end up on cheese sandwiches and margueritta pizzas which is… well, not a great diet.

      • Esmom says:

        Slowsnow, I think convenience is a huge part of today’s junky food choices. It takes time and work (not to mention money) to make healthy meals. I’m not judging those who don’t have the time to do this. I’m lucky to have the time in my schedule to cook. I think it’s a shame that the majority of convenience foods aren’t healthy.

        I say this as the parent of a college kid who just came home and is eating in one day what the rest of our family was eating in 3 or 4. He’s become accustomed to the unlimited supply of healthy options in his dining hall, all prepared by someone else. Sigh. Our summer will include lessons in meal planning, shopping and preparing.

      • Slowsnow says:

        Yes that’s true as I said above I completelly understand people not being able to have a vegan diet both for cultural reasons but also for time reasons. However, this is London where it’s extremely easy to buy healthy options – and I’m talking about people with means. A friend of my younger kid had lunch with us once and made the most horrified face when he saw a brocoli on his plate! Then asked what it was… Maybe his parents don’t like brocoli but with a cherry tomato the reaction was more or less the same.
        My 18 year old stopped eating as much as he did before strangely. It was like feeding a pregnant woman before (I say that becaise I was hungry all the time when pregnant) and now he is much more balanced and healthier. Maybe your kid is eating as a way of incoroprating the comfort that is being at home with the parents, even if he enjoys college ;-)

    • SallyTomato says:

      Your first paragraph is my BIL. He went vegan to (hopefully) improve his mental attitude. No shame in that, but those 9×9 baking dishes of vegan nachos, Oreos, Fritos, beer, and whiskey aren’t going to help. He’s trying…

    • Betsy says:

      I don’t know why this is always the assumption. I have vitamin and mineral deficiencies including iron and B12 for which my doctor has me on supplements. When I go too long without meat, I don’t feel well.

  11. Jessica says:

    I went vegetarian for two years. Back on meat. Sorry, I love meat, and I feel better eating it again. I also get that a person’s diet is their own thing.

  12. Canber says:

    Ha, I think I know that restaurant in Iceland. And yeah, you don’t go there and ask if the fish is local.

  13. GirlMonday says:

    1. She kinda looks like Bella after Edward turned her into a vampire.
    2.Good for her for finding the words to speak publicly about her struggle with alcohol in way that works for her.
    3. Is that pantsuit a not to the “cerulean” scene in DWP? But, I guess she can’t ever wear anything in that family, lest I harken to that fabulous MerylMiranda read.

  14. geekychick says:

    She looks great on the cover!!
    re:bathrooms: My husband and me have a saying: If you can’t survive norovirus (stomach flu) together, it’s not meant to be. :D we went through thick and thin together, and sharing a bathroom is no big deal. I mean, this should be your closest ally, if he can’t take you at your worst (and you him), what’s the point?
    I eat a lot of vegetables (70-80% of my food intake are fruits and vegetables, and yoghurt/kefir), but I couldn’t go vwgan. Thank god, in my country, you can still get everything local and fairly cheap(thank gpd for tradition of open markets!:))).

  15. Sparker says:

    These are still the choices she makes with her brain rebooted? She makes it sound like the animals are dying for a good cause. As someone of west-indian heritage I’m used to eating a great variety of well flavoured vegetarian food to begin with so skipping meat isn’t a big deal, but I guess it would be if your regular diet is only meat and potatoes.

  16. Sunshine says:

    Well this pretty much clears up the questions about her referencing her 5 day hangovers in another story on here awhile back. It sounds like when she drinks she doesn’t know when to stop. At least she’s admitting she’s an alcoholic, well sort of…

  17. Gil says:

    The two bathroom thing is genius. Many years ago I was lucky enough to live in a penthouse (perks from my husband’s company) with three bathrooms and three bedrooms. It was a blissful life. I had my own bedroom and my own bathroom. Even my husband preferred it that way. I could be as gross and messy as I wanted because it was my very own space and I loved it (yes I’m a gross person, guilty)

    • 2lazy4username says:

      I take it you’re back to sharing a bed and bath? How was re-entry into that world? Lol.

  18. NYC_Girl says:

    My mother always said 2 bathrooms is the reason why she is still married to my father, 40+ years later. When they first got married (I was 10) they shared a bathroom, but 5 years later we moved to a different apartment, and he has the master bath to himself, and she and I shared the other one. They made an agreement never to trespass in each other’s loo! Probably because she is super-neat, and he is very messy. If I ever get married, I would do the same thing. Also, we would need a king bed (if we didn’t have separate bedrooms, which I really don’t think is a weird thing). I believe people started sleeping in the same bed to stay warm. The wealthy typically had separate bedrooms.

    • Mash says:

      Well the wealthy are prob doing other things as well to need diff bedrooms…no snark just noting

  19. LT says:

    This is so far down on this thread that I fear no one will see it – but if your husband snores that badly, he likely has sleep apnea and is at a MUCH higher risk of having a stroke. If he also wakes up a lot to pee, PLEASE get him to a sleep specialist and get a C-PAP. My ex snores like a freight train and while it was awful for me, I eventually learned to live with it. He ended up seeing a specialist anyway and it turns out his oxygen level was at about 70% and his body was so desperate for oxygen that it would wake him up to use the restroom in an attempt to get more oxygen into his body. It is so dangerous. Once he got the mask, he finally got a good night’s sleep.

    I know that snoring husbands are a funny “old marriage” story, but it can be a sign of a very big problem with huge risk.

    • april says:

      Yes, thanks for alerting people that sleep apnea is the leading independent cause of stroke. It’s sad that not enough awareness is given to this condition. Nocturia is the condition of waking up to use the bathroom to urinate, which is a common effect of sleep apnea. When you hear of Luke Perry and others who are dying young from stroke, most likely they have sleep apnea. Besides stroke, heart attacks, congestive heart failure, high blood pressure, depression, diabetes, and obesity are affiliated with sleep apnea.

  20. Mash says:

    the 2 bathroom thing is REAL…. i lived with my ex for like over 2 years and sometimes i almost hated him (for an array of reasons) even more bec of the 1 bathroom and he me LOL

    but when we broke up i bought a smedium city house and previous to livin with him only ever was comfortable in a studio (i dont like large living spaces). I only occupied at that point the main level and the bedroom the additional 1-1.5 bathrooms (the house came with 2.5) i didnt use and the additional 2 rooms i used to host a friend or 2 and horde art away…. I say all this to say there were just areas in the house specifically bathroom i never used really

    but when I met my fiance and then he moved into the house i said why dont you just use the other bathroom and have your private moment LOL and honestly the living thing has been sooooooo chill.

  21. Thomas says:

    Sorry to hear that, I don’t know is that the right decision.

  22. reg says:

    Reindeer for Dinner? She sounds like a complete bimbo, how can one even
    think of eating reindeer? I don’t know what brain reboot she’s talking about
    , it sounds like she never had a working brain in the first place.

  23. Patty says:

    I could care less what people eat or don’t it. What I don’t like is virtue signaling and the holier then though attitude that some people have toward the lifestyle of their choosing. I just wish people would stop trying to force their eating habits on to everyone else – simple fact of the matter is, if you live in the US you are probably consuming more then you should, creating more waste then you probably should, and you probably have a large carbon footprint. Come to terms with you, do what works best for you, and that’s that.

  24. Ref7 says:

    Why did they photoshop her so heavily? This cover looks like a drawing.

  25. Nina says:

    Plant-based. Vegans don’t give up their veganism.