John Kelly, chief culture warrior: ‘Robert E. Lee was an honorable man’

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Mueller Monday was not a good day for the White House Adult Daycare. Staffers were reportedly skittering around, quietly speaking to media outlets anonymously, and trying to avoid the shrieking and wailing coming from Trump’s TV room. It’s so f–king obvious what happened next – the so-called “adult in the room,” WH chief of staff John Kelly, was sent out to do an interview. The scheme here was so obvious and childlike: on the day that everyone was talking about Russia and treason and the Mueller investigation, Trump made John Kelly go out there and be a culture warrior to try to change the subject. John Kelly spoke to Fox News, not about Russia, not about how he lied his face off about a sitting Congresswoman, not about how women used to be “sacred.” No, John Kelly wanted to talk about Hillary Clinton and Robert E. Lee. Ugh.

What should be investigated: John Kelly said he thought an investigation was needed into funding from Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the DNC for the research behind the Trump/Russia dossier, and Clinton’s involvement in the Uranium One deal. “The American people really do have a right to know what their government does… have a right to know what their government is doing on any given day, and by this same token what private citizens are doing if they break the law,” he said.

Russia probe: Kelly said he thought Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation “should wrap up soon,” and attempted to distance President Trump from any wrongdoing by the three men for whom indictments were announced Monday.

Monuments: Kelly was also asked about the removal of monuments to prominent slaveowners like George Washington and Robert E. Lee. He said it was wrong to apply modern standard to past actions, citing Christopher Columbus as an example. “Robert E. Lee was an honorable man. He was a man who gave up his country to fight for his state,” he said, adding that lessons had to be learned from history, including that “the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War.”

On his attack on a Gold Star widow & that widow’s congresswoman:
Kelly condemned the “politicization” of Trump’s conversation with the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson, who was killed in Niger. He said he would not apologize to Rep. Fredrica Wilson, despite having mischaracterized statements she made.

[From Axios]

I don’t even understand the thread of logic being used by Kelly (and many other Republicans) about Hillary Clinton at this point. I’m not even going to sit here and try to figure it out, honestly, because I can tell that it’s utter bulls–t. They want to make “Hillary Clinton Uranium” the new “Hillary Clinton Emails” shorthand.

As for what he says about Robert E. Lee – the video clip is actually worse than the written quote. John Kelly sold his soul a long time ago, people. Does anyone else ever get tired of old white douchebag men demanding that we respect their racist, misogynistic and genocidal history?

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  1. Nicole says:

    Lee was literally a traitor. I cannot with these idiots.
    And I cannot believe we pay these people to lie and slander (mostly black women) on the daily. I hate everything

    • Megan says:

      Kelly is a garbage person who works for garbage people.

    • Esmom says:

      I hate everything, too, especially social media. These people literally live in an alternate reality. I was just in a little twitter beef with a deplorable and noticed he/she posted something about “why should we be forced to use liberal-created social media outlets?” Ok, fine then. Create your own alt Twitter and separate yourself completely from reality. I can’t anymore.

      • Angela82 says:

        Tell them to go back to Breitbart if they need a safe space. No one is forcing them to use Twitter. This is a free country (or is supposed to be) and I will be as liberal as I want to be on my social media page and don’t care what they think. These people seriously want to live in a state sponsored dictatorship like Russia. :-(

    • magnoliarose says:

      Robert E Lee didn’t even want a monument. General Bigot (that is his new name) is a disgrace babysitting a bigger disgrace. The military has some twisted racists in their ranks, and I think we found one in General Bigot.
      I am no conspiracy theorist, but I think the undercover racists are well known to 45 and his minions, and they purposely loaded Trump’s administration with them to put forth their dirty plan. I believe they have always had a goal of marginalizing people of color, LGBTQ+, and Jewish people. Systematically they expelled the traditional Republicans to make way for one of their guys like General Bigot to pretend to have American’s interest at heart but always been a Trump disciple.
      This is pure fascism, and this is how it starts.

      They are so desperate to link Washington to the Confederacy to make the latter seem more respectable. Last I checked Washington died in 1799 and the Civil War was more than half a century later. Deplorable don’t know dates ’cause Fredrick Douglas is alive according to 45 and Andrew Jackson had feelings about the Civil War. Teddy Roosevelt started WW2 and Johnson was the architect of the New Deal.

      The stupid is bone deep with these fools.

    • Cintra.C says:

      Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote a good rebuttal to Kelly. And, no, Kelly is not the adult in Trump’s daycare.

  2. I'mScaredAsHell says:

    John Kelly fits right in with the Trump White House. What’s the saying? When someone shows you who they are believe them. Well, believe that John Kelly is a former military general with white supremacist views and he’s just as bad as the rest of the Repugs using cultural wars to further divide Americans. Fuck you John Kelly.

    • ORIGINAL T.C. says:

      Lying about Representative Wilson’s speech on the dedication of the FBI building and calling her the degrading ‘empty barrel making the most noise’ (e.g. dumb and loud) was all many of us needed to know that he had underlining racist intent. Would he have called Senator Feinstein or any other White woman in congress dumb and loud? No. Other names but not that coded term. But many people didn’t want to see that racism colored his memory of Rep. Wilson from the past as well as currently. He had no memory of her speech just the he had instinctively thought her loud and dumb. That’s how memory works when you have prejudiced views of someone’s race, gender, sexual orientation etc.

      So far Trump is the only politician in public office who uses petty names for other politicians of all races and gender. Kelly became the second in history but focusing on a Black congresswoman who has done more for this country and the young people in her district than Trump ever has or ever will.

  3. Pedro45 says:

    Yes, why couldn’t Congress compromise more? Why couldn’t Congress have reached an agreement about how much slaves were worth in the census? They could have called it, I don’t know, the 3/5s Compromise.

    Or why couldn’t they have admitted a slave state and a free state simultaneously, and then limited where slavery was legal? They could have called it the Missouri Compromise.

    Yup. The Civil War was just a failure to compromise.

    • Veronica says:

      Don’t be coming in here with your sixth grade education acting all high and mighty, Pedro45.

    • Eliza says:

      If I directly recall, Lee didnt stop his men from kidnapping free slaves and selling them back into slavery. 3/5s is probably giving his views too much credit.

      He was a good strategist, not a good person. They usually are separate things.

      Even he didn’t want confederate statutes, the fact that most were erected in the early 1990s as Klan sympathies were up shows they weren’t about the war, just about antebellum dreams reduced to tears.

      • Pedro45 says:

        @Eliza, I was being sarcastic. I guess it didn’t land.

      • Ankhel says:

        Oh, oh, let me try!

        Kelly can have Lee. He wasn’t so great. Now, General Custer, there was a MAN. The hard work, the patriotism, the moustache. He was brave, and gave his life for this country. So misunderstood. Sad!

    • M4lificent says:

      And everybody knows that the Civil War wasn’t really about slavery, it was about states’ rights. Just like the bathroom bills and “sanctity of marriage” bills have only been about the right of states to self-govern, and have nothing to do with stripping individual Americans of their freedoms and privileges.

    • Pandy says:

      Total failure! Maybe only second generation slaves could continue to serve as slaves? That’s a compromise! What a turd this man turned out to be. But then again, who else would work for Drumpf? The flies stick close to the turd piles.

  4. boredblond says:

    And to think he was supposed to bring sanity to the WH chaos..they all end up selling their souls and integrity..I really don’t get it.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      He never said he was supposed to bring sanity, the media did. They’re fooled by a man in a uniform. It’s a problem. He was always bad, and he stays bad. Trump is incapable of hiring good people, and good people will not work for Trump.

      • third ginger says:

        Right you are. I have said many times here that I come from an Army family. The media and too many Americans worship soldiers because so few people serve these days. The don’t want your worship. Most just want to be treated fairly [ medical care, etc.] I just said this on another thread. No one denies the tragedy of the general’s son, but don’t let that blind us to his flaws and enabling of the most dangerous person to sit in the Oval Office.

    • why? says:

      John K didn’t sell his soul or integrity because he was always unstable and complicit, he just did a very good job at conning the press into believing that he had morals and was the adult in the WH. I don’t understand how the press was conned by John K for this long when there were several articles exposing him as a Dotard loyalist and unhinged, perhaps it’s because John was always leaking positive articles about himself.

    • Veronica says:

      Nobody with a functioning brain or sense of integrity would work for that administration.

  5. Iknowwhatboyslike says:

    Fox news live in a dimension where Hillary Clinton is president. I wish I lived in that dimension and the past year was a fevered dream.
    If you’re normal, have some kind of integrity and decency, you’re not meant to understand the logic of these people. Your brain and nature have to have some kind of vile deviancy to follow. Consider yourself lucky.
    They are liars, thieves, con artists. I will not romanticize John Kelly by saying he’s doing this all for the Republic. Look at his face. That is a devil if I’ve ever seen one.

    Also, I watched Sarah Huckabee Sander’s briefing and was aghast at how that woman could stand up there and just lie. Just lie! In one breath, she accused the HRC campaign of colluding with Russians by funding opposition research, but in the same breath said that Don Jr’s meeting with Russians for stolen emails wasn’t colluding, it was opposition research because they didn’t pay for it. What? She has morals. She is one of the most disgusting people. I hate her man looking face. (yes, I’m shaming her and I don’t care. She is awful!)

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Loving the logic of the White House. Apparently volunteers cannot commit crimes and if you don’t pay to get stolen goods you’re not culpable. Trump only understands monetary transactions. Only money changing hands (preferably to his) gives something value.

      Bring on the salaried thieves.

    • Pandy says:

      There’s a special place in hell reserved for SHS. She’s getting lower and lower. See above comment re flies sticking close to turds.

  6. Indiana Joanna says:

    Kelly’s statements are nonsensical, and have no point other than to deflect and project, which is drump-like behaviour.

    Kelly is just as despicable as his boss. He’s a good secretary (can keep drump’s appointment calender), but not a good human being. He was a waterboarding advocate and approved other tortures of prisoners.
    The fact that a traitor who fought to defend slavery is Kelly’s hero says everything you need to know about him.

  7. Wednesday says:

    When asked if he had anything to apologize for wrt Rep. Wilson, Kelly responded “No. Never. I’ll apologize if I need to.” That “never” is telling. I can’t imagine being socialized to have that level of blind confidence and disregard for others.

  8. Beth says:

    I really had high hopes that Kelly would be able to get the adult daycare center under control. Unfortunately, he’s become just like any other enabler by telling complete lies, twisting and spinning stories, and making shameful comments about Robert E.Lee being an “honorable man”

    • Jerusha says:

      Yeah, I guess that U.N. facepalm was just a headache and not an “ Oh shit, what the fvcks he gonna say now?”

  9. Natalie S says:

    Ta-Nehesi Coates has been tweeting about this. One point that he made: Plenty of people at the time knew slavery was wrong including the people being enslaved. Going by Kelly’s way of thinking, who is being given a voice and who is being silenced ?

  10. grabbyhands says:

    Remember when he was going to rein in the insanity at the White House?

    I wonder how much money it takes to turn your back on a lifetime of having been well regarded by your peers to sell your soul to a malignant narcissist toddler that will turn on you as soon as he sees reason, or no reason at all?

    Must have been significant.

  11. Rapunzel says:

    The Hillary thing is nonsense. If Russia had wanted Hillary as President, she’d be President. And they wouldn’t have offered Trump’s campaign damaging info on her.

    Also, considering how evil the Repubs think Hillary is, it’s illogical that they simultaneously believe she was too stupid to collude with Russia successfully. I guess she can get away with all these murders, and run a pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor, but she just can’t win when she cheats.

    AS IF “overprepared” HRC would cheat with a hostile foreign power and lose.

    • Veronica says:

      At this point, the moment Hillary Clinton starts to come out of somebody’s mouth in relation to the White House, I just immediate cut them off with, “I don’t give a f*ck about Hillary Clinton.” Because I don’t. She’s not the president. Her actions are not impacting the entire country. F*ck off if you think I should care otherwise.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Exactly, Veronica. This last weekend, my dad, a farmer, complained to another farmer that Trump is ruining trade for almonds by pulling out of the TPP. This other farmer, a Trumper, blamed Hillary. My dad was like, “what’s Hillary got to do with this? She ain’t in charge.” These morons literally don’t care. They wish she was President so they could keep complaining.

        In fact, I’ve come to the conclusion that these Repubs really want Dems in charge keeping the country strong, so they can just complain instead of facing the fact that Repubs are incompetent idiots with bad policies. Trump is making these folks face how dumb the GOP politicians and platform are. And they’re in denial about it.

      • magnoliarose says:

        They are an opposition party, and now they have no one to oppose, so they dig someone up to appease the orange child in the White House. The Dems are smart to stay silent and not give them a rallying point that will unite them. Let them cannibalize themselves.
        Their HRC obsession is crazy and shows just how low and unhinged they all are. That is all they have because 45 always has an ax to grind and that means more to him than governing.

    • Esmom says:

      It’s effing crazy. I just heard a clip of Rush Limbaugh bleating about how none of this Trump collusion stuff is real. I honestly don’t get it. Actually I do. People get their info from news that really is fake. I don’t know how we’re ever going to put that genie back in the bottle.

      • JenB says:

        Bleating is right. They champion the the most ludicrous conspiracy theories with Hillary and yet call an investigation that has already had 3 (real life!) indictments fake.

      • Veronica says:

        True facts: a coworker of mine told me the other day that one of her classmates believes that Manafort’s collusion charges are related to the Clinton campaign. Not even being sarcastic. Straight-faced absolutely said that.

        I wish I had that level of conviction to my delusions. With that kind of power, I could convince myself that carbs weren’t the most delicious thing in the universe and have a model waistline.

      • holly hobby says:

        It’s real. Go to the courthouse and ask for a copy of the criminal complaint. These morons.

        On the other hand, Susan Collins just came out against the rich people welfare bill.

  12. Eliza says:

    Did a decorated military leader and government employee just call a man who committed treason by taking arms against his government a good man because he stood for his state?

    Is this a call to crazies who want to leave the states?

  13. Lori says:

    Lee was not a good man. Just like the nazis werent very fine people.

    What is wrong with these people? Hillarys “crimes” doesnt excuse YOURS!

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      What’s more, she committed zero crimes. If she had, they would’ve been confirmed by now.

  14. Lila says:

    For all of those people and the media who thought John Kelly would be the voice of reason for trump, restrain him for pushing the nuclear code buttons and that we could all sleep at night, you were dead wrong. I think his reputation just got worse.

  15. Giddy says:

    This White House is going to be famous for unforced errors. They trotted out Kelly who was supposed to be a diversion for the simple minded. “ Look over here at the brave General, pay no attention to indictments and guilty pleas”. He could literally have talked about anything, and he chose to talk about another racist general. He repeated his stance that he would not be apologizing to Representative Frederica Wilson. He did indeed show us who he is, and he damaged his own reputation with every word. What a fucking disappointment he has turned out to be.

    • Ankhel says:

      And here we are, talking about the racist general(s), rather than Mueller.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Well, that’s okay. Mueller will keep doing what he’s doing. The main issue is pressure on Congress re: articles of impeachment, and to throw a lot of public resistance up in the way of tax cuts for billionaires. Don’t let them slip that one through.

  16. lightpurple says:

    So, John, how do you think we could compromise on the issue of whether or not it was right own or indenture other human beings? Robert E. Lee was a traitor. There is no honor in treason.

  17. Lizzie says:


    • Olenna says:

      Exactly. It’s amazing how these f*ckers are always trying to rewrite the South’s history. Kelly has no shame. After all those years in uniform, having to conform to and support the military’s Equal Opportunity policies, he can finally come out of the closet with his white supremacist beliefs b/c he’s got the POTUS, the Commander-in-Chief, backing him. It makes me wonder how many Marines he f*cked over and/or ruined their careers b/c they were minorities or people of color.

  18. Svea says:

    It seems Kelly drank the Koolaid.

  19. Tiffany says:

    So ‘Uranium’ is the new ‘but her emails’ now. My word they are all idiots. The lot of them. No, all of them.

  20. Tania says:

    I’m done with all this anti-Hillary stuff STILL playing out. My husband sat with me last night and decided to switch it to CNN and they ran a clip about Hillary commenting on, “they seem to think I’m President.” This one woman, I didn’t get her name, said, “Hillary needs to be quiet and not say anything.” ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?! I was yelling and swearing at her on TV my Mom looked up from her beloved puzzles to see why I was so angry. Let Hillary be Hillary. If the orange cheeto can say whatever the hell he wants without consequence, and you feel comfortable telling another woman to shut up, start practicing it yourself.

    And Kelly has no credibility. There is no justification for this general to remain in the WH speaking on behalf of an unhinged lunatic. He jumped the shark and he can’t unring that bell. For the longest time I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his service and sacrifice but now I question everything he’s ever said.

    And don’t get me started on Huckabee Sanders. She’s a vile human being and every time I see her on TV I break out into a rage.

  21. Talie says:

    Just like most people figured out when he lied about Frederica Wilson…he wouldn’t be working for Trump if he didn’t believe in his Make America Great Again revisionist philosophies. He’s not “selling his soul” — this is what he believes to be true, sadly.

  22. Radley says:

    If he isn’t a double agent he’s a huge flaming pile of talking garbage. Even Mattis and McMaster don’t talk this much sh!t. So maybe there’s a 10% chance he’s playing Trump? This is bizarre. It’s like he’s trying to pass Toupee Fiasco’s loyalty test. Maybe? Ahh, d@mmit…just shut your ©ock holster dude.

    • adastraperaspera says:

      I know! I wish I could fast forward through time and find out if Kelly is just a good guy lying his tail off so Trump will keep him in place, or a bad actor for reals? What does a person have to do to stay in Trump’s orbit? Is he guarding the football for us? It’s just getting maddening. It certainly seems like he got Bannon and Gorka kicked out. Points for that. I have fingers crossed that somehow, this guy is just acting like Trump’s big buddy until they drag him off to the funny farm. Ugh.

    • IlsaLund says:

      Kelly has shown us who he is….believe him.

  23. Nikki says:

    A man or woman’s occupation doesn’t change their character (who they are at their core).

    People are fooling themselves if they think being a “decorated war veteran” makes you a ‘good’ person.

    That’s how bad people gain and remain in power.

  24. Vizia says:

    The incredibly sad thing is that he *is* the adult in the room. Damn him with faint praise.

  25. minx says:

    This man is loathsome, as bad as his boss.

  26. Eveil says:

    Not surprised. Black woman schools racist, lying POS and then a week later, he’s jaw jacking about how slavery isn’t that bad. Coincidence? I think not.

  27. ash says:


    civil war = lack of compromised…. GTFO

    i thoroughly HATE THIS MAN

  28. Mismom says:

    Frightening. Kelly has been over-served on the Kool Aid.

  29. why? says:

    This is the state of our country. It’s been 10 months, but it feels like years. When is enough going to be enough for the GOP, Nancy Pelosi(she keeps saying that we need proof of a crime inorder to impeach the Dotard and that he can’t be impeached simply because we don’t like him), and Paul Ryan? How long are they going to let Gorka and his wife, Bannon, Kris Kobach, Miller, and John K destroying this country by starting cultural wars?

    This is why it’s so important for the press to fact check. John was able to con the press into believing that he was the voice of reason, adult in the WH, and disciplinarian for 9 months, despite the presence of at least 3 articles describing him as unhinged, loyal to the Dotard, selected to work for the Dotard because of his support for the wall, repeating the same thing that the Dotard tweeted or stated in his interview, and having extremist beliefs.

    It was interesting watching how differently the journalists on tv and the print press reacted to Kelly’s speech about the Gold Star family. I was shocked to see how many of the journalists on MSNBC fell for his con. The journalists were calling him a hero and presidential, while the print press saw through his con and factchecked all of the lies he told during that speech. He was trending because people were upset that they bought into the narrative that he was the adult in the WH. I had lost all hope in the press, but then Lawrence did a 30 minute segment factchecking John and calling him out for the horrible things he said about FW. It wasn’t until the video of FW speech was circulated that the journalists on tv finally woke up and saw John K for who and what he truly is. My question is why did it take so long? He was caught on a hot mic telling the Dotard to use the saber on the press and many of the photos where the press said that John looked frustrated, actually looked more like he was trying to prevent himself from laughing.

  30. Littlestar says:

    Kneeling football players = America haters, disrespectful to the troops.
    Actual traitor who fought to break up the nation they claim to love = good man, patriot.
    What am I missing? Seems like the football players and the traitor are held to different standards, almost like they’re not being judged equally.

  31. holly hobby says:

    For the last time, the people did not hire Hilary for the job. They hired this nutjob. I don’t know why we are wasting our money investigating her. She is not a federal employee! John Kelly I wonder how you can sleep at night. Total a=hole.

  32. StillTotalled says:

    “What we’ve got heah is failure to communicate”…er, compromise.