Beyonce’s twins are apparently named Rumi Carter and Sir Carter: yay or nay?

Excited parents Beyonce and Jay Z get distracted by their unborn twins at the LA Clippers game

We still don’t know the exact date that Beyonce gave birth to the Gemini Twins, or if they were even really born under the Gemini sign. I choose to believe that they were timed perfectly to become the Carter Gemini, and I choose to believe that Beyonce gave birth maybe a week before anything was announced too, likely mid-June. Sources told media outlets that Bey and the babies stayed in the hospital longer than expected because the Beybies were premature and had to stay “under the lights.” And all this time, we still didn’t know the names of the Gemini Beybies. Well, now sources claim to know the names: Rumi and Sir. Seriously?

Have Beyoncé and husband JAY-Z settled on names for their new additions? The couple’s twins, reportedly a daughter and a son, may be named Rumi and Sir Carter, according to trademark documents filed to the United States Patent and Trademark Office on Monday and obtained by PEOPLE. Beyoncé and JAY-Z’s company has filed papers to trademark the apparent monikers for everything from fragrances and cosmetics to baby gear, tote bags and water bottles.

TMZ was first to report the news. The news comes hours after new dad of three JAY-Z dropped his latest album 4:44, in which he reveals on the title track that the twins were conceived naturally.

“I apologize often womanize / Took for my child to be born / See through a woman’s eyes / Took for these natural twins to believe in miracles / Took me too long for this song / I don’t deserve you,” he says.

The newest members of the Carter family join big sister Blue Ivy, 5. The family of five are currently settled in to their $400,000-a-month Malibu rental.

[From People]

I associate the name Rumi with the Sufi poet and I associate the same Sir with… like, a knighthood? Why Sir and not Prince or King or Emperor? I don’t know. Sir is the name I don’t like that much, but I’m surprisingly fine with Rumi. I have an Indian name that used to be a boy’s name, so the name Rumi is giving me lots of vibes. Rumi Carter sounds cute too. Like, Rumi and Blue Carter sound like they’re sisters. But Sir Carter? Eh.

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  1. Amy says:

    Rumi: Yay

    Sir: A huge nay.

    • Susiecue says:

      Cosign

      • It'sJustBlanche says:

        Sir makes them sound out of touch, like they have their heads stuck way too far up their a$$es.

      • AnnaKist says:

        Not “makes them sound out of touch”, Blanche. To me, it confirms just how far they’ve got their heads up their arses.

        I have a Persian friend (the family will never call themselves Iranian) whose brother is named Rumi. I like it for a girl, too.

        Funny language fact: In English, they’re called “Venetian blinds”, but we Italians call them “Persiane”- Persian blinds.

      • AnnaKist says:

        Also, the name, “Sir”, is on the banned list in Australia and New Zeqland, and I’m guessing all Commonwealth countries. 🇦🇺

      • ol cranky says:

        @AnnaKist – I know many Persians who say they are Persian, not Iranian as well (and not just the Jews & Baha’i) – it’s a way of distinguishing themselves from religious zealots

        of course I’m really only commenting because I’m fascinated by Venetian Blinds being called Persiane blinds in Italy. I always thought the style of blind came from Venice and that’s why they were called Venetian blinds!

      • Sabrine says:

        Sir is pretentious. I’d be at Vital Statistics changing it as soon as I hit 18. As for Rumi, does the child have an eye problem?
        “Rheumy eyes look red and wet because of illness, sadness, or old age.” (from dictionary)

    • Shambles says:

      Sir: Hell Nay.

      I’m not particularly fond of either, but Sir is terrible. I don’t understand why famous people have to be so pretentious with their children’s names.

      • Jenny says:

        I agree, Shambles. Don’t like either name but Sir is just awful.

        I’ve also been wondering why so many celebrities choose such pretentious and strange names for their children. According to research I’ve read choosing a weird name for your baby is an attempt to up your social status and if that’s true then I really don’t understand why this couple, one of the richest and most famous entertainers in the world, would feel the need to choose such strange baby-names?

      • fubar says:

        I have to say that I didn’t like Blue at first and it has grown on me.

      • whisper says:

        “Sir” is an ego-driven, myopic choice & I’m genuinely surprised they would consider it.

      • maisie says:

        Well, at least it wasn’t “Jermajesty.” Or my friend’s great aunt’s name, “Queen Victoria.” Yeah, they called her Auntie Queen Victoria.

        I don’t get it. Rumi is a lovely name. They couldn’t find something equally unusual for their son?

    • Ivy says:

      I think Sir Carter is a very cute name – for a cat.
      For a child it’s just stupid.

      • Mandymc says:

        It is stupid. I’m hoping it is short for something else.

        I took my toddler to the park and there was a kid there named King. I think my eyes rolled out my head.

      • V4Real says:

        Ivy that made me laugh out loud. That was hella funny.

        But I kid you not. A young woman my daughter knows, named her baby girl Celebrity Gorgeous. That’s a lot to live up to, poor little girl.

      • still_sarah says:

        @ V4Real : the woman who was recently charged with selling US government secrets (to Russia, I think) is named ……. REALITY WINNER. So that is where poor little Celebrity Gorgeous is headed. To Leavenworth prison. I hope she can avoid her fate.

      • fubar says:

        so when his son grows up, he will be call Mr. Sir Carter?

      • AG-UK says:

        OR Sir Mixalot?

    • WTW says:

      Yes, and also Rumi isn’t just a boy’s name. Fashion blogger-turned-model-turned designer Rumi Neely is half-Japanese and has this name, which I like. Sir seems like it would be very confusing to have and even comes across as pretentious. I’m hoping this is fake news.

      • Rhea says:

        I have a Japanese friend. Her name is Narumi (it’s a common female name there) but we called her Rumi for short. By any chance is the blogger full name also Narumi?

    • Tate says:

      Agree

    • AtlLady says:

      How exactly do you pronounce Rumi? Is it Roomie, like a roommate? Or is it Rummy, like a drunken lush? Or is the emphasis on the second syllable?

      • AnnaKist says:

        I’m thinking that, however it’s pronounced in its original form, they’ll pronounce it as “roomie”, and without the rolled rrrrrrrrrrrr…

      • fun factor says:

        I can’t help thinking of the word “rheumy” when I see Rumi, and it’s not a pleasant association. It means suffering from a thin discharge of the mucous membranes, like when you have a drippy cold.

    • BritAfrica says:

      Lol….couldn’t agree more…..

    • AnnaKist says:

      Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir, three bags full…🐑

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Yeah, I agree: Rumi: yes; Sir: o hell to the no.

  2. Wilma says:

    Yes, Rumi sounds nice, but Sir doesn’t sound as good. Not a strong enough sound perhaps.

    • GiBee says:

      Rumi is gorgeous. Sir is just gross. Also, hilariously enough, it makes Beyoncé and Jay seem like they’re copying Kanye this time around – Saint West and Sir Carter. How trashy, the both.

      • Taxi says:

        Prince Jackson, Queen Latifah (not her birth name.)

      • Wilma says:

        I don’t care about the meaning of the name. I just would have gone with a stronger sound. If they wanted to do a name like that, King would have suited better soundwise, or Duke. I never would call the Carters trashy as I really like them both. Just not the name Sir.

  3. third ginger says:

    Rumi is cute. Sir, peculiar. However, I like very old traditional names, so I am not a good judge for younger families. I think we all agree that we are delighted they are healthy and at home.

    • CynicalAnn says:

      I’m with you. Some of the trendy names are “cute” but I went with traditional.

    • Prairiegirl says:

      I like traditional names also. People who want unique names for their kids might research the most popular baby names of the 1920s or 30s and use those. Not a lot of Harriets or Agneses running around these days!

    • Chinoiserie says:

      Rumi is close to Finnish word ruma which means ugly so I can’t say I like it even though it does not sound bad.

    • Magnoliarose says:

      I do too. We didn’t go plain with names but we did go back to some of our ancestors in the 19th century. lol I love that my little people have big old fashioned names. I dislike most celebrity baby names. Mostly because it seems like a competition to see who can come up with the most original name.

    • minx says:

      Yeah, I went with names we liked, which just happened to be traditional, not uncommon names. But they suit my kids, and they aren’t embarrassed by them or have to spell them out.

  4. Jeesie says:

    I don’t like Sir. Given the kid’s pedigree he’ll already be called by the title Sir a lot, so it’s a weird choice.

    Neither really fits well with Blue Ivy, but Rumi is a nice name.

  5. Valois says:

    I’d say Sir is an awful name but I don’t even think it’s a name. It’s a title.

    Rumi I don’t hate even though it doesn’t really feel like a name to me either (probably because I associate it with the poet and Rumi is a nisba that indicated his origin). Some people on reddit thought it would be insensitive if Beyonce and Jay named her after the poet without having any connection to his culture, what do you think?
    (Genuine question. I don’t know enough about Rumi or his influence in America to have an opinion about this. And obviously no one know if the poet had anything do with the name.)

    • Accra says:

      People around the world have been naming children after dead English poets, philosophers and even economists (I know a Ghanian Maynard named for Maynard Keynes) for over a century, I genuinely see no problem with this.

    • WTW says:

      @Valois, I mentioned upthread that Rumi is associated with more than one culture. Here’s the Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi_(given_name)
      I have a name from cultures that neither of my parents come from. Who cares? This is not cultural appropriation. How many people are walking around with Hebrew names, Irish names, etc., and aren’t Jewish or Irish. For example, Shawn Carter and Sean Combs. Many Americans in particular don’t have names specifically tied to their ethnic group. I guess in this case, using that argument, they would have to limit their kids’ names to West African names or maybe French names because of Beyonce’s Creole heritage. Really makes no sense.

      • Valois says:

        The fact that it’s an actual name given to girls in Japan makes me like the name a bit more, as weird as that might be. I’m no fan of using nouns and adjectives as names.

        I appreciate your input. As I said, I’m nowhere in a position where I feel like I could comment on thismbut I was interested in hearing what you guys think.

      • teacakes says:

        I’ve also seen it used as a girl’s name in India, I don’t see the problem with one of the Carter Gemini having it.

  6. Betsy says:

    Rumi’s not my taste, but Sir is ghastly. Sur would slightly less so.

  7. Iris westallen says:

    Terrible names for babies already richer than me

  8. Giulia says:

    Rumi’s ok, but Sir is giving me bad vibes. Maybe it’s a generational thing, but in my head Sir sounds like “suh” and that just brings up a lot of feelings.

  9. Babs says:

    Sir Carter have a nice ring to it. Rumi is a pretty name, could be either for a boy or a girl to me.
    But I’ll wait for an official announcement for all things twins.

    • AmunetMaat says:

      I love Sir Carter. From a black militant perspective can suggest that perhaps the name ensures constant respect is being given. I like both names even though it is an unpopular opinion.

  10. Singtress says:

    So…if he is ever knighted by the Queen, he would be Sir Sir Carter.

    • GiBee says:

      I imagine she’s hoping she’ll have kicked the bucket long before the culture gets to knighting celebrity spawn.

  11. boredblond says:

    Rumi=Roomy..? Sir? Oh, please…poor nannies who have to say ‘yes Sir!’ to a squealing toddler.

    • Nancy says:

      I was thinking rumor, since they are always in on one. Didn’t Demi Moore name a kid Rumor?

      • third ginger says:

        It’s Rumer. They said for author Rumer Godden. But obviously a play on words.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Or the nannies who have to say, “No sirree bob!” Where does that come from, anyway? Is it a problem?

    • Beth says:

      Lol. Thanks for making me laugh. Tears from laughing.
      If someone named their kids Richard, the nanny would say “Hey you, Dick! Come on, Dick!”

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Ha, this reminds me that the publisher of the National Enquirer is named Pecker. Only Donald Trump would have a tabloid trash friend named Pecker.

      • Honey says:

        I’ll never get how the name Richard became Dick. Strange. I’ll have to ask my Uncle Dick

      • Hazel says:

        Honey: I’ve never understood Ted from Edward, Bess from Elizabeth, Harry from Henry.🙃

      • Lindsey says:

        English rhyming/ letter swapping Richard – Rick – Dick another example Margaret – Meggy – Peggy. It was common in the Middle Ages. Dick stuck, Hick (another variation) didn’t.

        http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/04/how-dick-came-to-be-short-for-richard/

        Harry, its English short form, was considered the “spoken form” of Henry in medieval England. Most English kings named Henry were called Harry

        The name Ted is yet another result of the Old English tradition of letter swapping. Since there were a limited number of first names in the Middle Ages, letter swapping allowed people to differentiate between people with the same name. It was common to replace the first letter of a name that began with a vowel, as in Edward, with an easier to pronounce consonant, such as T.

        http://mentalfloss.com/article/24761/origins-10-nicknames

  12. Esmom says:

    Nothing says welcome to the world like a trip to the patent office, lol.

    Wishing them health and happiness. As far as the names go, they’re fine.

  13. NInette says:

    NAY

  14. RaeRae says:

    Maybe they choose Sir because the name Saint was already taken. Lol.

    • jeanne says:

      this.

      it seems like a copy off Saint. and, hate to say it, but kanye wins on this one. saint is much better than sir – both ridiculous – but better.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Really raises the odds of a King Kardashian.

      • lastcontrast says:

        I hate that I know this, but Blac Chyna’s baby with Tyga was/is called King (before she hooked up with Rob Kardashian and had Dream). So I think no because it would be weird to give a kid in that generation the same name as one of the kid’s siblings.

  15. Zoya says:

    Her lips though

    • mari says:

      In the photo where she’s pregnant? This and the overall difference with her looks during her two pregnancies completly convinced me that the first one really was pillow baby.

    • AnnaKist says:

      Yep, the lips. 👄 Pardon by cynicism, but I’ll be convinced they’re “pregnancy lips” when they’ve deflated.

      • Nacho_friend says:

        Agreed. I got yelled at here for suggesting they were ovi fake, but I guess we will see what excuses people come up with when they don’t deflate back to normal in a few months.

    • Shambles says:

      TBH that photo is extremely unflattering. But we all have those unflattering photos. *shrugs*

  16. my3cents says:

    So his teacher will be saying “Sir please come over here?” Really terrible.

    • lastcontrast says:

      I’m guessing that these kids aren’t going to be in public school – they’ll have private tutors and teachers…

  17. Stacey Dresden says:

    ‘Sir’ is ridiculous. I thought they were better than this. I like ‘Blue Ivy’. And a lot of the lyrics to 4:44 are turrble. For example the part where he suggests that she wasn’t able to carry babies to term because he was out cheating on her. Some things just shouldn’t be stated. How narcissistic can you be?!

  18. Nancy says:

    I’m seriously shocked she didn’t think of Gemma for Gemini, but it’s an English name and perhaps not cool enough for her. To name your child Sir is ridiculous, but it’s their kids and they are competing with Royalty, Reign, Saint, Jermajesty, Northwest and all the other indulgent parents who think their children are….well more noble their ours. There you go, Noble, what a name that would be.

    • BasicBitch says:

      I like Noble better than Sir.

      And for the record is anyone really buying that the twins were natural? That just sounds like a myth they would like to propegate to give more credence to their love reunion.

      • WTW says:

        @Basic, It really bugs me that he even said this. What is the point? To suggest superiority over people who needed IVF. As someone with infertility troubles, I find the insinuation offensive. Obviously, most people seek out IVF because it is their only option to have a biological child. Having sex and getting pregnant naturally is nothing to congratulate yourself over, given people have been doing so for millennia.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        I know it’s what he chose for his lyric, but the use of “natural twins” makes me wish we remembered that the natural-artificial distinction applies to INSEMINATION and not to the actual CHILDREN.

        All children are natural no matter how they were conceived, carried, or joined a family.

        Kids pick up on this kind of language. And there’s nothing inherently superior to the method or the outcome in traditional insemination vs the other ways to make children and families. But the Carters have their issues and their image, I suppose, and c’est la vie.

      • Magnoliarose says:

        I am not buying it at all. First of all twins are not all that common except in Hollywood where everyone gets secret IVF and boom twins. They choose a boy and a girl usually because of course. Many get it and don’t need it but want to choose gender. You can’t tell me that Mr. Carter isn’t the type to do it. He would pick the gender, the timing and the unveiling when he wanted it for max effect. Sometimes they overdo it with their media manipulation.

      • Michelle says:

        Magnoliarose, there were 30 women in my birth group with my 2nd child and there were 5 sets of twins, only one which were the result of fertility treatments., so I don’t think twins are that uncommon.

        I do think Beyonce used some kind of fertility treatment though.

      • kay says:

        I believe it.
        Something in the way she looked and held herself during the pregnancy.
        :)

      • Magnoliarose says:

        @Michelle. WOW! I stand corrected. I would advise you stay away from the water in your town. lol We have a load of twins on one side of the family even though scientist say it isn’t genetic. But unrelated people in those numbers are new to me. Again, careful with the water. Seriously.

    • Tulip Garden says:

      I actually dated a Noble for awhile. I liked it at the time. I will say that I’ll never forget his name plus he was a genuinely nice guy.

      • Nancy says:

        Lol, and thought I was being original! Yes Sir, that’s my baby, no sir, don’t mean maybe, yes sir that’s my baby now……..some golden oldie from my yaya’s day, but I do remember it.

  19. Blaire Carter says:

    So is his name Sir Carter Carter?

  20. burnsie says:

    Rumi is a Sufi poet and most of his poems address a character called Sir

    I still think Sir is a dumb name though. Rumi I’m ok with

  21. Cintra.C says:

    To Sir With Love??

    • Nancy says:

      I thought of that movie/song as well. Wish I hadn’t, can’t get it off repeat on my brain! Tom Cruise sings To Suri With Love!!

  22. Beth says:

    Awfuly ridiculous. Do famous people have contests for who can pick out the dumbest names for their kids?

    • Prairiegirl says:

      Seconded

    • Magnoliarose says:

      I said the same up thread. It is silly.

    • Lady D says:

      I like the name Rumi. It reminds me of the name Suri, another one I wasn’t sure about at first. As for the name Sir, it’s one way of guaranteeing your child will be greeted with respect by everyone, whether it is meant or not. Also, a very hard name to shorten or create a nickname out of.

  23. Incognita says:

    I think it probably has more to do with slavery. Slaves were given names (if they were lucky) and then referred to by those names while their white owners were to be called only by titles, i.e. sir, ma’am, Mr., Mrs., Miss, etc.. It was just yet another way to devalue an entire race of people, of making sure they always knew they were less than human simply by virtue of birth.

    Now do I like it as a name? Not really, as it sounds very clunky to me. But do I understand the point? If the above is the idea, then yes, yes I do.

    • OhDear says:

      That’s what I thought, too (child being named an honorific and slavery/ Jim Crow connection).

    • dodgy says:

      Same. I can see the reason why they’ve done it that way.

    • Jegede says:

      But what about any black teachers, or fellow black students, who have to call him Sir?

      Wonder if they would be happy to use subservient turn, which denotes superiority, to their team mate or colleague, cause his parents are famous.

      • Fiorucci says:

        Meh it’s a horrible name for anyone else (also I don’t see any special appeal of the sound or look of the name other than that meaning in regards to us racism) but sir carter won’t likely have any of these practical problems of inconvenience with his name.

      • Spicydragonfly says:

        To which I would refer to said child as – Carter; which, actually, is not an awful first name ??? this may be what ends up happening

    • Scal says:

      Yup-can you imagine the reaction of resneck racists that will have to call him ‘sir’ instead of boy? Or worse?

      I still don’t like the name-but I get it from that perspective

    • Hazel says:

      I was thinking the same thing, having recently lived in the Deep South where African-American men are referred to as ‘boy’…still, in this day & age. ‘Sir’ is great in that respect. Otherwise, I’m thinking ‘poor kid’. He may grow into his name, or change it later.

    • anon says:

      Not just slaves. Most ruling classes used to do that. The Brits made the indian natives, even those older than them, call them sahib and memsahib. Sahib literally means master and owner in Arabia.. argh.

      • Aoife says:

        They also used to do it to their white British servants and other members of the working class.

  24. Annie says:

    I like the name Rumi. I just don’t get naming a kid Sir.

  25. RBC says:

    I am just thinking in twenty years when all these celebrity offspring end up hanging out together. Can you imagine the tabloids? Sir Carter and Saint West were seen partying with Reign Disick(sp) at father Scott’s latest club opening. North West and Blue Ivy Carter and Rumi Carter were all smiles as they posed for photos. A beaming Kris Jenner was overheard saying ” North will be flying to New Paris to shoot the cover for Vogue Mars”

    • AnnaKist says:

      I love your comment, RBC!! 👏👏👏

    • Magnoliarose says:

      Lol But you forgot Apple was throwing a party along with Elsie Otter, Sno, Rocket and Bronx. Hopefully, Pilot Inspektor and Moxie Crimefighter will be able to join them.

    • Tulip Garden says:

      Hahahaha! Your post really does illuminate how stupid these names can sound. I guess the names are okay taken as singles but get a group of these star-babies in a room and it is cringeworthy! Their kids so name away but I am still going to laugh….or snicker….and definately roll my eyes.

      The only Prince (or royalty related moniker) that I will ever take seriously as a name is The Purple One. But Prince Nelson, fortunately, lived up to the drama of his name: talent, musical genius, looks….all of it. Most people just cannot live up to that.

      When Sir Carter is making a mediocre album or Apple Martin is the face of Chanel, it just doesn’t have the needed gravitas and makes you think that they need the name recognition so you know WHO THEIR PARENTS ARE. James Carter and Sally Martin might not get the recognition their parents seem to feel is their birthright. It reads like snowflake, nepotism, “aren’t we special?” drama said In Dana Carvey’s church lady voice to me.

      I will admit, I really like Blue Ivy, Suri Cruise, and Shiloh Jolie-Pitt as names. They are unusual without being irritating, to me anyway. I think when you add in a lot of additional siblings with unusual names, it starts to seem …weird. Also, I like the ordinary choices of the Garnet Affleck children.

      • Sarah says:

        Shiloh is a famous dog in a famous book. I never got why they called their child a dog name.

      • Magnoliarose says:

        I like Suri and Shiloh for unusual names too. The Afflecks managed originality with the girls but traditional. I love the name Violet. It is old fashioned but I am sure she won’t meet a lot of others with her name.

  26. So Bea and Sean Jr was just a media lie?

  27. Mary says:

    Everything revealed in his new lyrics omg…why is she still with him?!?! Oh beyonce you deserve better treatment than that. Im all for forgiveness but it makes me sad when you hear about guys treating their awesome chicks so badly. Jay z sounds like a prolific cheater. No woman deserves to suffer that kind of emotional betrayal and abuse over and over.

    • OTHER RENEE says:

      It’s all about business for her so no I don’t feel sorry for her. Giving her son an absolutely ridiculous name just to grab headlines. Running to the patent office because they were unable to beat down a woman who already had a business called Blue Ivy. These people are horrible. Just horrible.

    • Lady D says:

      I thought it was just me interpreting his song wrong. It seems like a slap in the face to her. He has one of the most beautiful women in the world on his arm, and still he cheats. I hope she feels vindicated by it, she doesn’t need added grief while looking after newborns.

    • minx says:

      Here’s my take on them: it’s all business, always has been. I think she got married because she wanted kids; they liked each other well enough and she wanted to marry someone successful. I think they both have always been free to see other people. They are using “cheating” as a subject for music–I don’t think she cares because that wasn’t their deal. They have an alliance.

      • Nancy says:

        minx: I don’t know if she wanted to marry someone successful or impossibly rich. The lady has had some good tunes, but this idolization of her is beyond me. Single Ladies was a catchy little diddy and Halo always reminds me of MJ, but what makes her this Goddess that wants to patent her kids names…lol, it really is funny. These people are so narcissistic, to say the least. Next move is Kim K’s. Time To Keep Up With The Carters! Yes Sir, it is.

      • Fiorucci says:

        I disagree minx I’ve considered that situation but they seem to really like each other’s company. Or maybe it just seems like they are constantly photod together and it’s really a few days a year?

      • minx says:

        Fiorucci–I agree that they seem to like each other’s company. IMO they are friends, business partners and co-parents. Nothing wrong with that, if that’s the arrangement they have.

      • Fiorucci says:

        I guess that’s a possibility too. But is she sleeping with a hot body guard or something?

    • Artemis says:

      I do feel sorry for her. Beyoncé was trained from a young age by her greedy cold father, she saw her mother stay in a marriage that was broken because he couldn’t stop cheating (and only left when she was publicly humiliated after conceiving a child with another mistress), then was manipulated by the biggest rapper in the industry (the fact that HE at age 31 told HER at age 19 not to ‘embarrass him’ as a way to become a couple speaks volumes to their dynamic!). He’s a true POS. But he’s most likely not just her husband but also best friend, confidante and yes business partner.

      People really need to stop saying she ‘only’ cares about business. Average people, men and women alike, are hesitant, scared or downright stubborn to file for divorce long after their marriage is in shambles and the kids old enough to not be that impacted by a divorce because they have a mortgage to pay or have other assets tied up together. Heck even BROKE people are not willing to file for a divorce as it’s an emotional and scary concept and when you’re used to being together and living together, people are not willing to take that official step as it turns your whole life upside down.

      At the end of the day, Beyoncé is human just like all of us and the fact that she has been with the only man she ever truly knew (puppylove is not included) and has children with this man, makes her more human than people want to admit. So many women stay in shit relationships, it’s so easy to judge rich people when average people make the same mistakes and are attached to men who don’t have a penny in the bank and no true power to speak of (Mel B stuck with a broke ass loser!). Why do we feel sorry for women like Mel but not Beyoncé? Why can average people on this forum spill their guts about their no good man they’re not leaving but Beyoncé doesn’t deserve empathy for doing the same thing? Your man can’t afford 2-ply paper but women can still ride or die for them, Beyoncé and Jay-Z ARE a power couple who stand to lose a lot and who have to probably work out the financial aspects of a separation for at least a year if not more so of course thinking about business is an important aspect of their relationship. It would be silly not to assume so. What is the excuse for the wives of 2-ply paper men?

      Every marriage is a business contract btw, it’s not because you only have 2 dollars in the bank that it’s less of a business contract than somebody who’s got 1 million. People who don’t have decent marriage contract stand to lose things too, there are men and women out there who lost money, property, businesses etc…

      Cheating is EMOTIONAL ABUSE so I do feel sorry for Beyoncé. Her husband caused her so much stress, she lost babies as per his disgusting account. Beyoncé might be a ‘Queen’ to her fans and stans, but she is treated like a peasant in her own home. And even peasants deserve love!

      I hope her children can break the toxic cycle. And I hope she finds her Richard Lawson sooner rather than later but with newborns, I doubt it. I truly do because her life just shows you can try to control everything and try to present your best self and work on your best self but the bad things people do to us, it’s called LIFE and even she is not exempt from that. Lemonade and 4:44 show a woman who is deeply insecure and flawed and thus so much more of a human being than the ‘Queen’ her fans think she is. Stuck in an ivory tower she is and her husband holds the key.

      • Tulip Garden says:

        Beautifully written. Beyoncé, Angelina Jolie, Mariah Carey, whoever, famous or not, they are just women that still have to struggle with things. I’ve never understood the need to make them “Queens” of anything. They are just humans like the rest of us and that is not a bad thing. Some difficulties are universal, as in most of us don’t escape life without pain, sorrow, hurt,…..how inhuman would they would be if they didn’t feel these things? And why would anyone want them to be less than human?
        It is probably one of the reasons Princess Diana was so beloved and remembered. She made huge mistakes, she underwent massive betrayals….she was human, flaws and all. The idea of Superwoman just seems limiting to me. Anyone remember the song, “I’m not your Superwoman.” By Karyn White, it still resonates for me today. It’s okay to not have to be everything.

      • DurbanGirl says:

        Preach Artemis… I love your posts. always intelligent and clearly thought out..

      • Paige says:

        Summed up perfectly. She grew up with a father that cheated all over her mother and probably believes that’s normal. It’s a cycle and hopefully her two daughters break the cycle.

      • What's Inside says:

        Well said. It never ceases to amaze this need for people to put others on pedestals so high, only for them to fall and bust their asses. Beyonce has chosen a life with an imperfect man knowing full well who and what he is past and present and is hoping for a future with him for herself and her children.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        I think the fact that Mel B’s treatment from her husband has been a lot worse is part of it, but I agree with you. Having ‘no sympathy’ for the fact that someone suffered miscarriages or stillbirths as a result of stress from a relationship says a lot about a person’s ‘feminism’ or empathy- or lack thereof. It’s not all that surprising though. There are always those eager to minimize or go on about how another woman ‘deserves’ lesser treatment/bad experiences in life the minute they feel she has ‘too much’ and isn’t a humble, meek, modest little saint on top of that. (Whether the ‘too much’ is wealth, looks, success, or anything else). Remember, only certain types of women are deserving of sympathy or allowed to be human.

  28. BlondieR says:

    I refuse to believe this as there are only 3 letters in ‘Sir’ and not 4! Sire I would believe!

  29. minx says:

    Nay.

  30. Louise177 says:

    It would be funny if these were names for a business line not the kids’ name. A lot of celebrities file trademark papers not because they want to use the names but so others can’t. If they are real names, Rumi seems ok but Sir is ridiculous.

  31. Dolkite says:

    Beyoncé and JAY-Z’s company has filed papers to trademark the apparent monikers for everything from fragrances and cosmetics to baby gear, tote bags and water bottles.

    Because it’s never too soon to start making money off your kids and developing their “brand.” I don’t know what’s worse…that they’re doing this or that there are enough idiots out there who will buy their stuff out of slavish tribute to “Queen Bey.”

    • lucy2 says:

      Do they actually sell stuff under Blue Ivy’s name? I remember a lot of people thinking the trademark thing might be to just keep others from cashing in on their kid. If that’s the case, I can understand it, but if they are actually using it to sell things that’s a little icky for me. They are both so hugely successful they can market themselves all they want, but leave the kids out of it.

  32. Magnoliarose says:

    I don’t like Sir. If you are going noble at least make it something higher ranking like Duke. Then he would outrank Tangerine’s son Bar(r)on. I like names with meaning but this is pretentious. Isn’t he a father of four?
    Rumi is ok.
    His new album reminded me why I never liked him as an MC. I avoided his music in the 90s on purpose. He made it final with his offensive anti-semitic lyrics for a second time. I guess he didn’t get the memo last time. I guess I should be happy it isn’t someone I do like. Sigh.

    Bey could do better. Just sayin’.

  33. BJ says:

    We don’t KNOW what day the twins were born, their birth weight, ,we don’t their genders(assigned) nor do we know their names.And we won’t see their faces for weeks if not months.

  34. Ruyana says:

    I don’t know why celebrities name their children as if they were naming dogs. They’re giving children a name they’ll have to live with all their lives. Rumi isn’t the worst I’ve ever heard, but “Sir Carter” – gag.

    • me says:

      Well it’s not like these kids will ever have to hand out resumes or do “normal jobs”.

  35. escapologist says:

    Rumi is not the poet’s name though… His name is “Jalāl ad-Dīn (celaleddin)”. Rumi means he’s from “Rum”. Rum was the name given to Roman Anatolia. People should do their research before giving their children meaningless names. Because Carters’ children are not from Rum, right?

    • AmunetMaat says:

      My middle name is Kenya. I’ve never been to Kenya, nor has my mother, and we have no clue if our ancestors derived from there. Lots of people name children based on places, its not that serious.

    • Asiyah says:

      Rumi is his epithet and when many people hear Rumi they think of the poet.

  36. Shirurusu says:

    Do all the people who give their kids these kind of names have inferiority complexes? Why do they want to be seen as royal? Sir reminds me of Katie Price and her daughter Princess, what ridiculous names. Rumi and Blue are way better off!

  37. Izzie the other says:

    Geesh… some of you are so… angry in here. I know Beyoncé isn’t the most liked person on sites like this but what exactly warrants this kind of anger?

    I don’t like the names but as long as the parents like them it’s no big deal to me: that goes for celebs and non-celebs alike. If you meet someone and you don’t like their name what are you going to do, stop talking to them? Maybe there is some weird significance to the parents.. I have no idea but that’s their business and I frankly don’t care.

    As far as the trademark, well, I don’t find that offensive either. Jay z already said they don’t plan to make money off of their child(ren) but it’s out in place because there are crazy people out there that would.

    There are celebrities who behave so much more horribly than Beyoncé and yet they get away with it without even a squint.

  38. Catherinethegoodenough says:

    I dunno, remember when we all thought North West’s name was Kadence? I’ll believe it when its officially announced.

    • argonaut says:

      Kadence Donda!! I liked that name. or how we all thought Britney’s son Jayden James was Sutton Pierce for months?

  39. Boringsunday says:

    They’re supposedly obsessed with 4 right?
    Rumi: persian poet wo wrote quatrains.
    Sir: Sounds like the mandarin word for four, “Si” (pronounced like the british ‘sir’: “suh”)

    • Fiorucci says:

      That word is bad luck in Chinese as it also sounds like “death”
      to me sì does not sound like sir

      • me says:

        I was going to say the same thing. The number four is very bad luck in Chinese culture…but Bey and Jay aren’t Chinese and have some sort of fascination with that number. This always makes me think they will have four kids.

  40. lucy2 says:

    I think the name “Sir” would be very confusing. Any time someone else is called sir, the kid is going to think they’re talking about him.

    I’ll wait and see though, these may not be the actual names.

  41. Maria F. says:

    as most people here I like Rumi okay, but hate Sir.

    And I must say, if they end up being the names I am a tad bit disappointed (and yes, I am aware, that if the parents like it, I should not care). I thought Blue Ivy was more creative, more out there and these two are a) rather normal (Rumi) and b) pretentious and Kardashian adjacent (Sir)

  42. M.A.F. says:

    Rumi sounds fine. Sir on the other hand sounds like every other pretentious Hollywood name.

  43. Em says:

    Nay on both — these people sold their souls to the devil a long time ago. They have no right to use the word Rumi or Sir. Huge Eyeroll.

  44. Tess says:

    Rumi is so cute and unique, I like it better than how they were going to nickname North “Nori”. Sir is ok, but I don’t really like “title” names like “Princess/Prince” or “Royalty” (who named their kid Royalty?) or “King”. It’s mm pretentious I guess? Idk what’s the right word, maybe I’m just low key, but that’s just my taste, more power to them. Sir Carter sounds cute but meh.

    • Nancy says:

      Chris Brown’s daughter’s name is Royalty. I don’t think he partook in the name process though. She already had the moniker when mom let him know he was a dad. Hand to God. Ironically, Rihanna’s nieces’ name is Majesty. Oh my, these singers/celebs do have a high opinion of themselves, don’t they. Ironically as well, actual royalty gave their children actual names, George and Charlotte.

  45. Paige says:

    Rumi is fine. Sir is pretentious but it’s what I expect from two people that act like they are an higher power. Egos are enormous. Ugh.

  46. Nikki says:

    Agree with the vast majority of posters who hate the name ‘Sir” and hope it’s not true. I know a guy named “Prince’, and he gets enough flak. I can’t even imagine “Sir “. It would actually be CRUEL.

  47. serena says:

    So is he saying Blue wasn’t conceived naturally? *eye rolls* you don’t say Jay..

  48. Dal says:

    It’s stupid. I mean teaching your kids to think they are superior with a name like sir , is only going to give them a superficial life. I hope the parents teach them proper morals and values not spoil them with money

  49. Voldielocks says:

    Like most have said before, Rumi : fine, Sir : big fat no.

  50. blonde555 says:

    So damn stupid. Beyonce, Shawn, blue, Sir and Rumi. They just need a ‘Pebbles’ and ‘Killer’ and they’ll be set.

  51. Annetommy says:

    Oh FFS. “Rheumy”- pronounced “rumi” – means watery, as in “rheumy eyes”. Or perhaps it is “roomy”, as in spacious? Or “rummy”, as in full of rum? Sir is even more ridiculous.

  52. Gene123 says:

    So apparentlytly Rumi can mean “beauty, lapis lazuli” so I’m wondering if they picked it for the blue association

  53. april says:

    On the bright side, Sir is better than Apple or Moses.

  54. z says:

    Rumi is a common Japanese name for girls. Not at all unusual. Sir on the other hand is just weird.

  55. Libra girl says:

    Is the middle name Mix-a-lot? Morons

  56. Svea says:

    More out of touch egomania from these two. What’s the difference between these one percenters and Trump?

  57. Anare says:

    Rheumy Is the first thing I thought of and why would you want that association? Sir is just lol. Poor kids. Hope they develop cool nicknames.

  58. Carla says:

    What I don’t get is choosing a name that just sounds ugly off the tongue in English. Like the words ‘chimes’ or ‘sahara’ or ‘elixir’ are lovely to say and hear whereas sir is hard and awkward, like ‘apple; or ‘track’. What a stupid name to hang on a kid…

    Could have gone w/ Prince as a tribute and it’s a nice name.

    • Asiyah says:

      “What I don’t get is choosing a name that just sounds ugly off the tongue in English.”

      We gotta tailor our names now to the English language? Geez. I don’t go around telling Arabs not to name their daughters Mona because it means monkey in Spanish, or Rana because it means frog. My God…!

  59. NeoCleo says:

    No on both.

  60. Marianne says:

    Sir is very pretentious for a name. But whatever, its Hollywood….they’ll fit right in.

  61. bliss! says:

    I like Rumi, but Sir is just….hmmm