Carole Middleton didn’t invite her only brother to her big Mustique b-day party

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This weekend, Carole Middleton celebrates her 60th birthday. She and her husband Michael are already in Mustique with Pippa, James, Duchess Kate, Prince William and Prince George. According to sources, the party is going to be a HUGE blowout involving only the best of Mustique society. Carole has invited “30 friends” and ever the hostess, Carole has organized a special birthday cocktail and a second “mocktail” for her favorite pregnant daughter. According to E!, Carole has arranged for a special British bartender – Brian Kinsella – to fly out to Mustique to do the drinks, because I guess no one in Mustique can mix a proper cocktail? A source says:

“Brian is being charged with making a special cocktail—a non-alcoholic cocktail—for Kate who is clearly pregnant and can’t drink. He’s naming it Mother’s Mocktail. He’s making it from maple spice, passion fruit syrup, pineapple and ice. It’s touching that Carole is having a cocktail specially designed for Kate so that she doesn’t feel left out while everyone else is drinking.”

[From E! News]

Why is the source falling all over themselves to praise Carole for having a special non-alcoholic drink made for her pregnant daughter? Kate usually only sips water anyway, pregnant or not. What else? Let’s see… there will be a jazz band performing and a four-course dinner. No one is allowed to take photos and phones will be confiscated, it sounds like. The source says:

“There is a lot of trust there, however we are told no camera phones or iPhones are allowed at the villa. The reason it’s in a private villa rather than at Basil’s bar is that they do not want pictures coming out. William and Kate have edited their friends so much that it’s really a closed family affair, with just those who are very trusted and wealthy Mustique residents invited, and only the closest of friends from back home who have proven over the years their trustworthiness.”

[From E! News]

Yes, William and Kate have edited their friends “so much.” So much that Kate really doesn’t have a group of close girlfriends at all and she’s merely adopted William’s posh friends.

But here’s what’s really interesting: with all of these preparations and a guest list that includes Carole’s yoga instructor and tennis coach, the Middleton did not invite Dodgy Uncle Gary Goldsmith. Uncle Gary is Carole’s only sibling. Uncle Gary has bankrolled every major Middleton endeavor. I still believe that Uncle Gary is keeping the Middleton family afloat financially. So why no invite? Just because he’s a bit dodgy? Will and Kate didn’t have a problem with that when they were vacationing at his Maison de Bang Bang. One source explained to The Daily Mail: “It’s just a question of protocol really. It’s a bit of a family lockdown as it always is when William and Kate are involved.” You can read more at The Daily Mail here, including some interesting details about how “incestuous” Mustique society is these days.

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  1. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    I don’t begrudge wealthy people their indulgent lifestyle, but I hate useless waste. Flying in a bartender? Please.

    • NewWester says:

      If you notice Carole can not hold her own umbrella either

      • Snazzy says:

        I saw that. How pathetic

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Ha! Just saw that. She really thinks she’s arrived, doesn’t she?

      • Lama Bean says:

        I don’t understand that photo. It looks like the umbrella is floating in mid-air.

      • wolfpup says:

        She does look as if she had “achieved” something, and is very sure about herself; almost as if no one could ever disturb her again.

      • bluhare says:

        “As God as my witness, I shall never be humble again!!”

      • notasugarhere says:

        Disturbingly, she’s doing her Diana impression even down to the tan bag. Do an image search for princess diana blue Chanel suit.

      • Elizabeth R says:

        You’re not the only one who finds that…troubling. I feel like this isn’t the first time either. I’ve idly wondered how much of quest to get William is actually about Diana, (for Kate? Carole? both?) as well as status & wealth.

        Yes, I realize it’s also troubling that I spend time wondering these things. ;)

      • Anne says:

        @notasugarhere WOAH! I recognize the cut of that blue suit. (Confession: I’m a dork and, when I was little, I collected picture books of the Princess of Wales. That look, accessories and all, is a Diana imitation to a tee. It’s a bit disturbing actually. WTF is this woman thinking? The only other time I thought she was trying to mimic Diana was when she wore Catherine Walter – Diana’s favorite designer – to the wedding. But this is really. . . . .exact.

        Bad play, Mrs. Middleton, bad play.

      • burnsie says:

        Does her suit have shoulder pads…?

    • Megan says:

      I think they need a bartender they can trust not to sell the party details to the tabs.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I haven’t read any tales of the staff bartenders on the island selling stories in the 8 years the Middletons have vacationed there. Presumably they are under lock-down contracts and can be trusted. Otherwise, we’d have learned a whole lot about everyone who vacations and drinks on Mustique for decades.

      • Citresse says:

        Why don’t they make William the bartender for the entire holiday along with all the cleaning, restocking etc…? It’ll be the first time in a while he can say he did some actual work.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Oh, please.

      • bluhare says:

        That’s why god invented confidentiality agreements. They didn’t need to fly someone in; they could have hired a local and made him/her sign an agreement.

      • FLORC says:

        While it’s an interesting angle Megan it’s unfounded. The Midds vacation there for the privacy. And when they needed greater privacy while there after someone took a blurry photo they got it. More privacy was created. I’ve only heard of fellow vacationers doing anything to invade the Midds privacy. Not once was it the staff for well over decade now with William in the mix.

        It sounds like he’s a big name Bartender and it was more to have him there than anything else. Like driving a car. You don’t drive any car. You drive the one with the expensive name brand. It’s all about the image.

      • LAK says:

        It’s so insulting to say that Basil is untrustworthy where Carole Middleton or even WK are concerned when he has never sold a story to the press in all the decades he has run his bar and catered to everyone from Princess Margaret to Mick Jagger.

        He is so untrustworthy, yet he was invited to WK’s wedding as a trustworthy and loyal friend or was that for services rendered on Mustique!!!??!!!

      • Megan says:

        I’ve been to Basil’s. It would be impossible to have a party there and avoid all photos.

      • LAK says:

        Megan: who hasn’t been to Basil’s. The point still stands, the media isn’t flooded with photos of people at Basil’s, or any other recreational and residentional parts of the island.

        Privacy from paps or people likely to sell other islanders out is the raison d’etre of Mustique.

      • Sullivan says:

        Me! Over here! Never been to Basil’s.

      • Megan says:

        LAK – since you’ve been there you know anyone with a boat and telephoto lens could get plenty of party pics as the bar is open to the ocean. Since the royals are especially hounded by paps, I would expect a flotilla if Carole’s bday party was there.

      • FLORC says:

        Megan
        In the years the Midds and William as well as other royals have been there how many photos have you found of people in boats using telephoto lenses snapping shots of the royals? I can think of 1 and they were not at Basil’s. Quality was horrid and itwas during the day by fellow tourist who just thought it was neat to see them.
        P.S. Had Carole not given details of all of this to the press or had someone very close to her do so no one would know. Is this about sharing with the world this lavish party with special bartender details or about privacy? They know well the cost of privacy includes discretion so why let such intimate details slip and have tis highly exposed by flattering press.

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      It’s a hedge fund friend who is making these accomodations possible. This is just another borrow , hyped as Middleton’s spending money when they aren’t.

  2. India says:

    Would anyone really want to attend anything that woman organized?

    • Mia V. says:

      She’s the mother of the future queen, it makes people go cray-cray.

    • notasugarhere says:

      This is the same family who invited completely random folks from their village – people who admitted they didn’t know the Middletons – just to fill their allotment of seats at the Abbey.

    • bluhare says:

      *whispering* yes.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Complete with undercover camera concealed in your eyeglasses, to see if her parties are as tacky as what is sold on their website?

      • FLORC says:

        Absolutely!

        Nota
        I doubt they ever use what they sell on the site. So common.

      • bluhare says:

        I would go as the Baroness, take LAK as my paid, yet totally voluntary, companion (because I never go anywhere without *my* umbrella holder — she holds my Mai Tai umbrellas too) and never breathe a word.

        Really. Never ever would I breathe a word. Might write a comment or two though. ;)

    • MinnFinn says:

      Yes, I would absolutely attend! And since I’ll be on my best sycophantic behavior, I hope to make it onto their regulars party list. Back in Berkshire, when I attend their manor parties, I’m bound to run into Uncle Gary there. My ultimate goal would be to work my way onto his party invite list too. After a year of hanging with CayMidd and Uncle G, I’ll release my tell-all book with color photos, website and eventually a Lifeline movie. Siobhan Finneran (O’Brien from DT Abbey) will play Carole Middleton.

      • LAK says:

        Minnfinn: How about Irene Roberts from ‘Home and Away’ as Carole Middleton, the royal years.

        Although if you were going for gritty, kitchen sink realism, Linda Henry from Eastenders would be perfect!!

      • MinnFinn says:

        LAK, I read the wiki on Irene Roberts so yeah she’s in. I’ll give you a movie credit and hire you to be London casting director. Try not to abuse your power b/c that’s my job and we can’t have two of us doing that. Ha!

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      Rumours are she invites various senior royals and some wealthy Aristocrats (Percy) and they All beg off politely.

      • Denise says:

        Do you mean the Percys as in the Duke and Duchess of Northumberland? When I first visited Alnwick Castle which the family live in part of the year, a woman who was watching over things told us that his son (forget his name) was spending time with Pippa, like that would impress us. I smiled politely but really couldn’t give a shit.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Yes……George Percy.

      • bluhare says:

        Seriously, a tour guide threw out Pippa’s name? When talking about the Percys??? Wow. Our society is shallow indeed.

  3. Beatrice says:

    I find it interesting that Carole is planning her own birthday party. Shouldn’t the husband and kids be doing that for her?

  4. Loopy says:

    No mention of Pippa and James significant others? Apparently i read the Middletons are worth 30 million pounds why do these people scrounge so much. Maybe Gary helped them before they were loaded.

    • Betti says:

      They are not as wealthy as the press makes them out to be and yes, big brother Gary helped them and he also, allegedly, funded Waity’s courtship with William. William also, allegedly, funded the purchase their massive mansion – so they are used to handouts.

      • Loopy says:

        Please tell me , how is a courtship funded ? What he made her seem more upper class than she was???

      • Betti says:

        Yes, he funded her and the families lifestyle, enabling her to financially move in the upper circles.

      • HoustonGrl says:

        @ Loopy, Uncle G sold a tech company to the tune of several hundred millions. Many rumors suggest that part of this money was used to bankroll Carol’s party business as well as the kids’ education. Not to mention Waity’s years of partying and not-working. Girl’s gotta eat!

      • FLORC says:

        The Midd kids education was from Michael’s side of the family. Money was put into a trust to be used for education.

        Uncle Gary helped fun the courtship by picking up some bills and letting Kate use his boat, vacation home (he was know to store drugs in and caught on tape selling them). This was during a time when Kate and Carole were said to share clothes so Kate wouldn’t have to repeat outfits around William’s friends. She came off looking like she’s wearing her mothers clothes.
        and it’s an absolute mystery how PP ever turned such profits being an only online store during a dot com crash. It’s highly suspected Gary helped.

        Gary has also been linked to s3# trade business in South America. Apparently it’s known there his role.
        This has all come out in the news. You just can’t look at the british news. When things came out a Will and Kate being cute story came out to divert attention.
        However, the youtube video of Gary selling the drugs and bragging about his future goldsmith wing in BP is still up.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Mike Midds trust wasn’t much, it was only 10 to 30 thousand if that.
        The trust was greatly exaggerated.

        I think Gary is privately laughing because he knows the real score with the Middleton’s.

        They do borrow a lot , the vacation home is basically a borrow.
        They are as wealthy as the press makes out.

      • FLORC says:

        SomeoneStole
        Well, only when the Midds applied for a loan at a swiss(?) bank was it known they’ve borrowed against their house twice so far. They really aren’t wealthy as the paper’s claim. They have debt to keep up appearances and Gary must be picking up the rest.

        Although, they did have about a million in renovations to their current home via tax payers for “security”. And it was said William loaned them furniture to furnish their home.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        And even the Swiss mortgage is through the Hedge fund friend connection and having William as a son in law didn’t hurt, in getting okayed for such a large mortage.

    • Michelle says:

      Also £30 million doesn’t seem like nearly enough for a royal lifestyle.

      • Loopy says:

        How sad, i guess they have don’t have any more use for him then.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        I’ve never believed the hype on $30million , those estimates were initially put out by Middleton’s pr.

        No way Party Pieces is worth more than a few million.

    • Red Snapper says:

      It is thought that the real money from Party Pieces come from the selling of the data the gather when people place orders. So if you order your tat, then start getting spam and junk mail and telemarketers calling all day, you can thank Carole for that. But it’s still not nearly enough to fund the lifestyle they live. The need Gary and plenty of handouts and freebies for that.

      Donna and James just had two weeks in the Carribean, she’s probably back at work, unlike James who’s self employed and can take holidays when he wants, while his business crumbles under staggering debt. Just like us! Nico is probably history. No title, not good enough.

      • FLORC says:

        Well, they can’t do that legally anymore. And they only made a few tens of thousands.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Exactly Florc….

        Some things just don’t add up fully with the numbers surrounding this family business.

  5. Michelle says:

    That mocktail sounds completely sickeningly sweet. When I was pregnant I could not stand anything overly sweet. But even not pregnant, that just sounds awful.

    • maeliz says:

      Sounded gross. On sip could probably cause a few cavities. She should stick with drinking water

    • FLORC says:

      The syrup on top of all of that juice seems terrible.

      What helped a friend feel like she was drinking while pregnant at a party was aspirin. A drink like described here with a disolved aspirin to give it that bite of booze taste.

      • bluhare says:

        A dissolved aspirin? I’ve never heard that one! If you have a few that wouldn’t be good though.

      • FLORC says:

        Yea. It’s about how fast you drink. You don’t chug a strong drink because a gag reflux (might) kick in. The aspirin does that. Just don’t expect to get buzzed.

  6. Mia V. says:

    The Middletons look like the people who are mocked by the Countess Dowager in “Downton Abbey”.

  7. NewWester says:

    Not inviting your only brother but inviting your yoga instructor and tennis coach? Hopefully Carole and her brother are still on good terms, because I would be pissed if that was my sister.
    If you are in the public eye( Carole thinks she is because she is mother to a future queen) the one person you do not want to turn against you is a close relative. One “exclusive interview” and your world will come crashing down. Relatives know where the skeletons are hiding. Bad move Carole

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      True.
      I think Gary is just sitting back watching the show.

      Who Carole better watch out for is Gary’s wife. She may feel like leaking some things one day.

  8. Lucy2 says:

    No phones, no pictures…but here’s the guest list and itinerary? If it’s all on lockdown, this source is probably not too credible.

  9. Emily says:

    I think it’s kind of a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don’t thing when it comes to inviting Uncle Gary. On the one hand he’s her only brother, on the other hand he’s hella sketchy and tends to bring a certain amount of media scrutiny.

    Also, it’s possible that him and Carole worked something out in private or maybe he was invited but he’s busy doing sketchy Uncle Gary things that day. It’s hard to say.

  10. vauvert says:

    Never followed the family closely, how is Gary sketchy? And was he giving Kate an allowance for her daily hair appointments and shopping trips so she did not need to work while she was dating Will? Just because they visited his villa (can’t remember where it is) a few times… Does not mean he was supporting the family.

    • Elly says:

      drugs and prostitutes…

      • Citresse says:

        I thought William loved Kate enough to get back together with her despite palace courtiers advising him during 2007 she’s from a drug crime family. But it seems from the British point of view he didn’t really fall in love with her at all and only married her because she hung in long enough and no one else really wanted the job of future Princess of Wales. Sad.

      • vauvert says:

        So he’d get along really well with Andrew…

      • kcarp says:

        He fits in pretty well with the Royal family. I wonder if his hookers are underage or is that just a Royal thing?

      • LAK says:

        Kcarp: well, he described them as ‘fresh, young girls’ in the video sting a newspaper made of him. Make of that what you will.

      • wow says:

        @Citresse, I’ve read that to, but honestly no one really knows the real deal about Williams true feelings towards Kate. He could just really love her, nothing more, nothing less. But that would be too boring. It doesn’t move magazines off the stands so then we get the “she was the last one standing because no one else wanted him” tales. It makes for interesting gossip though.

      • Mika says:

        drugs and UNDERAGE prostitutes

      • LAK says:

        Wow: if only that gossip didn’t go back several years before their wedding. Some of it from people who know them very well, some of it from ex-staffers, lots of it from their own actions, some of it from the horse’s own mouth.

        I mean, when a person declares at their own engagement conference that their fiancee was important to them NOW, shades of his own father’s ‘….whatever love means’ quote, you have to look at the backstory instead of the new whitewashed PR version.

        I mean, these same people sold the bride as a hardworking, dedicated worker who was going to dazzle us with her work ethic……still waiting on that.

      • FLORC says:

        wow
        Many of us 2nd what LAK has said because we’ve read those articles ourselves. Not from gossip rags, but much of it came from solid sources and photos for proof if not straight “from the horses mouth.”

        There’s a lot of the story that has been pushed under the rug to make room for the new image of Wills and Kate happy royals.
        Although, I will say this. It was said William truly loves Kate, but isn’t in love with Kate. He appears to care for her and we can all see that. His actions though are not of a man who is in love and adores his partner. Highlighted by recent actions, extended time away and how he treated her for the entirety of their courtship.

  11. scout says:

    Once you get what you want from Uncle whatever, he is useless to them now I guess, says a lot of about Middletons, doesn’t it?
    Read that “white gloves” was hitting on James Middleton (mini Royal guest as they called him) at Enron party she hosted in London just few months before she met our Hollywood hero. She could have been partying in Mustique by now if James was trapped. Imagine that! LOL!!

  12. Carolina says:

    Uncle Gary looks kind of creepy.

  13. Elly says:

    she invited her yoga instructor and tennis coach to her private birthday party? So her “friends” are the people she pays for? Ouch.

  14. The Original Mia says:

    Gary wasn’t too dodgy when they were trying to keep up with William.

    Carole sounds pretentious.

    Did anyone see the interview with James? And William is worried about the regular folk seeing his kid, when he should be concerned by his in-laws. Isn’t it strange how no pics have gotten out from this vacation. Wonder why.

    • Citresse says:

      I saw a brief clip of James on American tv.
      I won’t be buying his 15 dollar marshmallows.

    • Carolina says:

      Are you talking about the interview where he says he wants Leonardo DiCaprio to play him in a movie? And where he calls Kate an important woman.

      • The Original Mia says:

        That’s the one. I choked laughing at the Leo thing and just about died with the Kate is an important woman comment. Orly, James?

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Lol…. Carolina you have me in stitches. :)

        James thinks Leo should play him….oh my god…too hilarious!

        This family is so pretentious.

    • bluhare says:

      It’s a private island. That’s theoretically why they go every year. Before Kate married William they still went but I think that’s because the knew someone who has a house there and for the cachet of vacationing on a private island.

      • LAK says:

        I wonder why they don’t hire out Necker Island. Oh wait, those pesky Bransons…..

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        The Middleton’s still are NOT paying for the dwelling in Mustique. They are still getting these accomodations on a borrow.

        The owner of a Billion dollar hedge fund owns it.

      • “The best of Mustique society”. This made me laugh out loud. Im guessing it likely attracts the kind of people who should think that this is a very serious appointment indeed.

        I want in. I can be the official Minister of Snacks and Cocktail Straws.

        Oh, and Middletons are TOTALLY ripping pages from the Diana Playbook. I have done a few articles about this. Kate in a red ski suit (like diana), a blue suit and fedora…this blue suit and tan bag…both mother and daughter are doing it. There’s nothing wrong with inspiration, but golly, mix it up a bit ladies!

  15. Rachel says:

    Lol I thought the main page photo was Sarah Palin! I was thinking how fancy it was for her to vacation in Mustique.

  16. Citresse says:

    When are the photos from Mustique arriving?
    I was thinking back to when William was little. Charles and Diana, in addition to more contact with the public, set up more photo calls and released more photos than William and Kate.
    It seems William wants all the perks of next- in- line, however he doesn’t answer to his subjects. He is setting the British Monarchy on a dead end street.

    • Sharon Lea says:

      I agree, Charles & Diana definitely had more photos released, or let videos be filmed, to see them walking etc. Its really a let down because George is so cute. I don’t want to compare them to C&D, but looking back, they got that right.

      Sweden is getting it right. There have been some marvelous pictures and outings with little Estelle. Their Christmas video was super cute, making cookies, hiding in the sofa cushions etc.

    • UESider says:

      I think I remember reading somewhere that the arrival and departure photos are usually held back until the Royals are in the UK for security reasons?

      • FLORC says:

        I have read that too.
        Thing is photos are often released during their stay there or just after they’ve returned in such timing to bury a negative news story. And as far as security goes they give us the play by play of where they are and what they’re doing while on vacation.

        Security reasons makes sense, but photos are often released as well as other details that would seem to compromise security while on vacation.

  17. Betti says:

    I’m convinced that the press has some skeletons on this family and that they are keeping it quiet until the divorce. They did the same with Heather Mills when she married Sir Paul – they had proof from the beginning she was a hooker but kept it quiet until they separated. It’s going to be dirt on Uncle Gary and how they’ve used the press over the years to help with the courtship.

    • Rachel says:

      You’re expecting a divorce?

      • Betti says:

        Yes, I expect this to go the same way as his fathers first marriage with him instigating it when he finally falls in love. He already has a ‘Camilla’ in Jecca Craig.

      • wolfpup says:

        Male leadership in this family has failed. Entitlement, in all of their “affairs” seems to be the norm. Along with Phillip and Charles, there is the astounding precedent of the Duke of York (he can’t have been the first to love orgies, and young women who have not completed puberty). How could Willy turn out differently, and how foolish of Kate to believe that she could hold the heart of one of these types of men.

        These royals turned on the women they had married for far lesser crimes (not new story as well, in the family history book). Then they carry the flag of self-justification. They made Harry bear the banner of shame; yet he was still an immature, unmarried fool, only following the example of the more seasoned men in the family. He gets to be the one with the seemingly bad reputation! The others try so hard to “appear” a dignified gentleman.

        Carole is mad to consider this a good life for her daughter, or maybe it has been about her all along – she seems to be loving it! Why marry a royal when you can just marry a rich man, and fly off into the sunset? Why do women trust ***holes?

      • bluhare says:

        In order for the Love Triangle of Doom to work one has to have a Diana. Kate is no Diana in any way shape or form.

        Once Kate pops out the spare, she’s good to go. Even if she and William don’t get along they’ll live separate lives and not divorce. Wait 10 years to be married for a few and get kicked out? Don’t think so.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Bluhare, that will only work until he wants to marry someone else. Soon after, the costs of security Middleton Manner will be exposed and many questions will be asked. See the example of Alexandra of Denmark.

      • vava says:

        I don’t expect a divorce. They’ll just live apart, then get together from time to time to do appearances.

      • Citresse says:

        vava, agreed-I don’t see a divorce either. Kate is too passive when compared to Diana. It was obvious to me when that prig William told her to “stand up straight” just outside the hospital when George arrived.
        The Royals probably didn’t like the fact she’s not a member of the aristocracy but they accepted it because she’s malleable and compliant.

      • FLORC says:

        Well, it could happen.
        Maybe a huge scandal they can’t cover up and William will need to create distance with the Midds. Or he does choose to marry another. Or Kate grows a back bone and starts thinking her position is secure.

        In truth, they appear very much to live the majority of their lives apart. The evidence is quite clear on that. It would take a lot to disrupt that. It would have to come from within.

        Citresse
        I saw that video and didn’t think he said that. There is however a lot of other videos where it’s much more clear he’s being short with her and uncaring.

      • bluhare says:

        Y’all, I was talking about the love triangle of doom. Without Diana manipulating the press about it, we’d never have known to the extent we do. I don’t see Kate being quite that way WHILE she’s married. I can certainly see her being that way and playing the Wronged Yet Ever So Strong Woman Because of the ChIldren to the hilt if William left her, though.

        I don’t think they’ll get divorced unless (a) William finds someone he wants to marry, which I doubt will happen as he could keep a mistress and probably would be happy with something low key like that, or (b) there’s a scandal of such epic proportions that Kate can’t stay married to him. I don’t see (b) happening, but who knows.

      • ScrewStewrat99 says:

        If there is a divorce I don’t think Kate will be so passive. She’ll have momma Middleton behind her and I think it will get really ugly between them and the royals. Kate “worked hard” to land this role and this is the only instance I don’t see her as being passive. I think she will fight tooth and nail to prevent a divorce and if she realizes one is coming it’s gonna be game on. Then again she might be passive so that Will pays for her to live a nice life, so who knows. I’m hoping for the drama though if a divorce does happen.

      • LAK says:

        I don’t think Kate will go quietly in the event of a divorce. This is a woman who went on a several months media tour when he broke up with her in 2007 which seemed to be the permanent break unlike their previous break ups.

        This is a woman who uses the media to pull him back to her side when he wanders too far, so I don’t think she’ll go quietly.

        It’ll be war of the Wales 2.0, but this one will be more vicious – see all those stories blaming the Palace for her own shortcomings, blaming Charles for the 2007 break up, playing the class card where she called his friends (and by extension him) class snobs.

        He doesn’t have his mother’s skill at media manipulation, and he doesn’t apply himself, so I think he’ll settle for separation without a divorce.

        Unless he employs scotch earth PR like was used on Heather Mills McCartney when she divorced Paul.

      • bluhare says:

        I didn’t mean to imply Kate would be passive. I do think she’d play that part, though, and stories would be fed to the media although I’m not sure she herself would do it. I do think it would be done on her behalf though. Kate’s got the Karing Kate image to maintain and I think she’ll try to hold on to it to the bitter end.

      • Bess says:

        When Kate reeled William back in after the 2007 break up, she was most likely taking some advice from her much more intelligent mother. Carol Middleton is the brains of that family, but she won’t live forever. I don’t think Kate has the deviousness to manipulate the media without her mother’s help.

      • FLORC says:

        LAK
        Yup to it all.

        Bess
        Carole was said to be the one giving her daughter advice to win William back. Lose weight, be seen out smiling with his friends. Show off what William gave up and make him sorry he did so.
        That’s where many people took pause. Knowing William wasn’t faithful or at the very least glad to be done with Kate clinging to his side why would Caole want her daughter to get back with him? Wouldn’t it be better to help Kate move on? Tell her she deserves better?
        And while there are stories out there that the Midds turned on William and weren’t pleased when they got engaged the stories just don’t add up.
        My take? Carole helped Kate with the paps and weight loss to make William jealous. As William didn’t come back and the tabs ran poor Kate being strung along by William i’m sure there was a moment of strength.
        We know the rest though.

      • Imo says:

        Carole never told Kate to lose weight to get William back. Kate was anxious and depressed about the break up and not eating much. And Carole told Kate how to behave during the other break ups but rumor was the last break up finally pissed her off and she and Michael wanted. Kate to move on to a glam career and new relationship with potential while her media profile was still high. I believe this. And it was William’s friends who were divided. Some openly laughed at Kate because they though ht she was history. The rest of William’s friends, including Pelly rallied around Kate and told her to hang in there.
        Nothing is as black and white as the gossip portrays. Still, I could never encourage my daughter to fill her life with this sort of rubbish, prince or no prince.

      • caitlin says:

        @Wolfpup Why marry a royal when you can just marry a rich man, and fly off into the sunset?

        Exactly, Wolfpup! I really don’t get it either. Kate moved in aristocratic circles and could have had her pick from a pool of very wealthy and often extremely good looking young men. She could have had the best of both worlds really – marry rich and never have to lift a finger with no obligations as she does with the royals. Why put up with all of the BS, restrictions and limitations of living the royal life when she really didn’t have to?

      • FLORC says:

        Imo
        There was a source Carole was known to use that leaked that information on Kate’s plan to show off to William. And slimming down/getting fit/losing weight was a huge part of it. Also, Kate and William broke up twice before that time. This break up was the one where she lost weight, improved her wardrobe and had a pap waiting to see her dressed up, clubbing and smiling.

        What you’re saying only came out post engagement. It was not the story that existed for years before that.
        Although, I would eat my tin foil hat if you can point me to where there’s an artcile dated before 2010 that says anything to the likes of what you’re saying. Not the whole story needed. Just details. I know how hard it is to find articles sharing the total story. So many are 90% fluff.

      • Imo says:

        FLORC
        You are actually proving my point by pointing out the differences between the 2007 break up and the other ones. If Kate never changed her habits or appearance for the other break ups why do it for the ’07 one? When they broke up before Will took her back because she timidly kept a low profile.
        Kate and her mom felt this break up was final, as did many. Carole advised Kate on the best way to move forward and capitalize on her youth, celebrity and media presence. There was a need to do things differently in ’07 but I do not believe it was all a show for William. In fact I have always wondered about Kate eventually starting over with that Rupert guy had Will not returned. But opinions are just opinions after all :)

      • Bridget says:

        The Vanity Fair piece on William’s ladies (which I didnt find particularly flattering about Kate) mentioned that during their last breakup even some of William’s friends felt bad for Kate. My take: I think by that point a lot of his inner circle were starting to settle down themselves, and were getting fed up with what we now know to be William’s crappiness as a person. I’m not saying that they were best of friends, but I do think by that point the inner circle (or part of it) had softened to her. Because at this point I think everyone here at Celebitchy acknowledges that William has a pretty boorish personailty.

      • FLORC says:

        Imo
        I think you read into my comment what you wanted to. Not what I was trying to say. Not that this 07 break up was final. More that the clock was ticking and this one was possibly the last make or break moment. It was pulling out all thestops (if i used that correctly) for this. Pap tip offs. Showing off skin, partying like she’s over William and having fun with his friends.

        Your take on this only works with the recently rewrite. It’s not supported by the history of articles there were on their relationship when it was Kate and William. Not William and his fiance or even wife. The press plays differently with this marriage. As well as a few reporters.

        I think this is all very interesting to watch it unravel. To read stories and see things develope. And then to read everything post whitewash and rebuilding Kate’s image/history with William. That Female journalist at the DM documenting her encounter with William’s “men” opens eyes to what goes on behind the scenes. An image is created. True or false it’s made and is enforced with a type of polite bullying.

        Bridget
        William was THE hot prince. He had a few gfs that wouldn’t stay knowing his eye would wander. Also, that they ccouldn’t live being his wife and the job that was. the 3 they cover in I think that article all went on to be successful and take the charity work very personally. I might be citing another article.
        Something that isn’t always touched on. Kate caught William’s eye when he was dating another. I never thought I could trust a man who would overlap a relationship. Also, after a few breakups, maybe you’re not meant to be. As the Queen was noted/rumored? to have said over their reuniting. This will end in tears.
        For what it’s worth Kate is formidable (sp). When William is gone and Kate wants him back she has used the press skillfully alert us to his absence and who he’s with.

        Apologies for spelling errors. Software os down and i’m being lazy with word look ups.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Was the 2007 breakup the one that lead to the photos of her inebriated lap dancing? I found it hilarious when she wore that same DVF pink dress (with the horrible fringe epaulettes) to her “secret but I brought photographers along to prove it” visit to a charity last spring. Things like that convince me that the Middletons pay very close attention to what is being discussed and shared on sites, blogs, and forums.

        I am NOT looking forward to the meltdown when William finally figures out how he’s been played and betrayed via the press by the Middletons.

      • FLORC says:

        Nota
        I bet William knows to a certain degree. He’s even appeared to play along at some point. I think he is upset when he’s not aware of the pr manipulation and used in it. Or the use of George.

        And I also am betting the Midds pay attention. Remember when they hired a pr rebranding firm. Or whatever they are called. The Midds image was not looking good. The thought of Carole having a room at KP lead to many people freaking out over that. So the Midds had a flood of positive pr stories out. Carole finding and returning a lost dog was the big one. Everyone appeared to see right through that though and the Midds just stepped into the backround for a bit. They over exposed themselves. Pippa, James, and Carole were all over the place talking about their royal connection. The public kicked back. So, yea. They know.

    • Elly says:

      oh i´m sure the media has dirt on the Middletons. From time to time you hear things… and where smoke is there is fire.
      They wait till something big happens. Should William dump Kate again (will only happen if he falls for another woman IMO he´s just to lazy otherwise) then the media will hound the Middletons down.

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      I am convince the Royal powers that be, already have the dirt on this family and it will be used when William wants out or when the Palace gets tired of the Middleton road show.

      Yes I think a Divorce will happen too, probably a decade away yet.

      • Carolina says:

        What do you think would happen if uncle Gary gets arrested for sex trafficking or selling drugs? Or what if its found out that the Middletons were laundering Gary’s dirty money and they get arrested and charged do you think William would divorce her or would he play the part of a supportive husband? And how do you think the public would react?

      • FLORC says:

        Carolina
        Well, when Gary had the reporters catching on tape what he did there was an extremely rare photo of W&K showing affection. Lucky pap we all know being there right time. The news on Gary was buried in the article.

        I’m guessing Gary is somewhat protected. As long as Kate is married to William and Gary stays away it won’t come up.

        Also, Party Pieces has closed books. They will never go public and open the books (imo). William wouldn’t play a role because this would be swept under the rug.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        I agree Florc, I think they are protected.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t think they’re protected/safe. We don’t know that William played along with the call Tanna and get the first photo of them kissing on the front page game. He was clearly under the influence – and got behind the wheel – so was he in control of the situation? That could easily have been the Middletons manipulating Tanna again – not William protecting the Middletons.

        As others have said, the BRF will have researched all the Middleton skeletons. When William wants out, the BRF will make all that info known. The press is holding off while relative goodwill reigns, but wait until they (especially Tanna) are pushed too far. It will be epic.

      • FLORC says:

        Nota
        When Tanna gets shunned it will be epic indeed. And agree. The way Kate is guarded and not pushed. The way she never really dived into her duty, but remained the same as she was her whole life. Living with her parents not living independent of them. The BRF is well protected from repeating another Diana. there will be no one to blame, but Kate and her family. The spin will be insane if they so chose to take it that way. Even if it’s not fair. I can see it getting really ugly should Kate and her family try to angle blame at William or the Windsors.

    • Imo says:

      FLORC
      Agree to disagree. Truth is that the overwhelming majority believed that the ’07 break up was final – this is not opinion. What is opinion is whether or not Kate and Carole were rebranding Kate in order to increase her cache or simply to get William back. You have your view and I have mine. But Kate doing and becoming all the things Will did not like would be riskier and more aggressive than Kate’s personality. He didn’t even want her that thin. Kate was going for another heavy hitter whether she secretly was ready to or not. Always someone younger and more socially connected ready to swoop in and all that. And I don’t play the link game. Any internet fluff can be used to make a point past or present, critical or favorable etc etc. gossip boils down to what one is ready or willing to believe. Enjoyed the discourse all the same :)

      • notasugarhere says:

        Imo, it is all opinion. Unless you are either Kate Middleton or William, what you are stating is opinion – not fact or truth. I think William continued to chase other women after 2007, put off marriage as long as he felt he could, and eventually settled for Middleton.

      • bluhare says:

        I read the bio of Kate and William that Katie Nicholls wrote and she seemed quite sure it was a bid to show William what he’s missing. Side benefit being if he didn’t see what he’s missing, it was also an excellent way to move on.

        So you’re both right. :D

      • FLORC says:

        Imo
        Haha fair enough. Although, Kate’s weight is speculation. William saying that seems flat. He likes thin women as supported by his taste thus far.

        Katie Nicholls is a decent source. Though she changed sides so fast it gives whiplash.

        Nota
        That interview Harry touched up his brother’s romance life. I truly believed Harry felt his brother was not going to marry Kate and was very happy being a bachelor. Post engagement Harry says it will be nice getting to know Kate. The whole thing seemed off to the image being painted.
        The other part of that being how the tabs really turned on William post breakup. Stringing Kate along through her 20′s, messing around, and then leaving her as they both get closer to their 30′s. It didn’t look good for him at all. His image was damaged imo.

        But yea. It’s only opinion and interpretation if not using direct quotes or citing articles that could only come from the horses mouth.

  18. HoustonGrl says:

    I wouldn’t mind any of this if William and Kate (and the Middletons) didn’t come off as such ingrates. Their charity work is pathetic. They spend so much time at high profile events (champagne parties, wimbledon, horse races etc.). Her siblings court the press. They seem so out of touch, and yet have every conceivable luxury that one can think of. It’s kind of sad. They should try to be more like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, especially since their lifestyle is publicly subsidized!

  19. Jaded says:

    There’s something so fishy about this family….can’t put my finger on it. Aside from being low classy parvenus (remember Carole chewing gum at a royal event?) and Uncle Gary’s predilection for nose candy and ladies of the night, there’s an “ick” factor there that gets my spidy senses tingling. Wills could have done SOOOOO much better with his choice of wife.

    Thoughts anyone??

    • wolfpup says:

      Maybe if he had looked for a woman with real self-respect…

      • Jaded says:

        I think he found her in Jecca but she didn’t want to be a royal doormat.

      • FLORC says:

        And his other gfs. They all left him citing he has a wandering eye. That’s self respect. To leave someone who won’t respect you.

      • Citresse says:

        I’m surprised William seems to be such a player. I’ve always seen him as kind of goofy. Not smooth at all.

      • FLORC says:

        Citresse
        Money is attractive. Although, William was also quite hot back in the day. Thing is he knew this.

    • anne_000 says:

      Oooo… “parvenus.” I didn’t know such a word existed to describe such a thing. Good word and good to know. Thanks.

      He needed someone in whom in he knew he had a sure ‘doormat,” because he knew he wasn’t going to settle down and be a one-woman man who’d stay home and be a Mr. Cleaver. He wanted his own schedule for his own personal life. And I don’t doubt that Kate knew that and accepted it so long as she had the ring on her finger and the title and the prospect of being the future queen.

      Let’s face it. This is the first time in history that there’s been this kind of marriage with an understanding between both husband and wife.

      I don’t know if William could have done ‘so much better,’ because ‘better women’ would not have tolerated such a relationship.

      • anne_000 says:

        EDIT: “ISN’T the first time”

      • anne_000 says:

        I read on DM that Uncle Gary said he helped to finance nephew James to create the cake & marshmallow businesses.

        Seems like Uncle Gary keeps helping the Middletons over and over again, but they don’t want to be seen with him in public.

    • Citresse says:

      Jaded, I think the “ick” factor you’re describing is the nouveau riche Middletons Over Ambition. Not only did they arrive ( I guess) with Party Pieces, but they were determined to get their daughters hitched to the aristocracy.
      The late James Whitaker would agree with you. He didn’t think Kate was a suitable choice as future Princess of Wales.

    • daughterofjean says:

      I think his choice of wife is fine. They’ve been together for years and seem very comfortable with one another. The closeness of her family has given Wiiliam what he may not have had growing up and missed when his Mother was killed. People forget the influence Diana had on him. Why people insist this marriage is one of convenience or on the rocks is beyond me. He’s been on record saying they took their time getting married because they want to get it right. For sixty years old Carol has a great figure.

      • vava says:

        Your comment cracks me up because you end one line of discussion with a remark about Carole’s figure. LOL

        I always love Kaiser’s posts because of the photos she picks.

      • daughterofjean says:

        vava, it was an after thought. True though! Face is a tad rough but otherwise she looks great. Wonder if she’s a smoker.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        William walked into a family of opportunists.

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      Jaded I agree. Something very fishy about the Middleton’s.

    • dawnchild says:

      William doesn’t have the confidence, personality and character to not be threatened by a relationship with a person of character. He got what he deserved. I don’t feel sorry for him. He has poor values.

  20. Imo says:

    At least the Middletons are closer and more supportive than the royals. No spin there.

    • FLORC says:

      That’s not terribly true. Other families of members married into the BRF are close. They just don’t advertise it like the Midds do. Infact, they don’t court the press and lead very low key lives out of respect to their royal relatives.

    • Imo says:

      FLORC
      No argument here because I agree but please re-read my comment. I said the Mids are closer then the Royals, not the in-laws Of the royals.

      • FLORC says:

        imo
        I see your point. Still though… I think there’s close family relations in a traditional sense we can translate from the outside looking in. And there’s a family that is close and understands eachother, but that can’t always be seen from an observer in the outside.
        The BRF is close. There’s an inner working there that isn’t the dynamic of other families, but doesn’t make the bond less. When Harry went to a garden in Diana’s name his whole family came out for him minus W and K. They looked genuine and loving. There are other instances. They just all work and understand that, but are still supportive and protective of each other.

        And as LAK below has pointed out. When speaking of the Midds closeness it’s only immediate family. The rest are cut off. As well as old friends that haven’t the same level of wealth.

        And only speaking of the immediate Midds. You can say that’s close, but is it healthy? They are the entirety of their world. Sure, always there to support eachother, but also there to coddle and not branch out. Family is all you need and all you can trust. As far as supportive. Sometimes that’s the worst thing. To protect and support. Never letting your children learn on their own. Of course, offering a safety net, but not protecting them the whole way. That’s what it appears the Midds do. They’re close with eachother, but that is why (imo) they have 3 children that between them have accomplished a marriage. A failed book, writing jobs being industry jokes, and a few bankrupt businesses for James. There’s support and there’s dependency (sp).

    • LAK says:

      …..are they? The Middletons ie Pa Middleton’s family seem like a regular family ie as close as a family can be whilst the Goldsmiths ie Ma Middleton’s family appears to have been cut off.

      From the glimpses we are occasionally given, it seems Carole cleaves to her more prosperous Middleton inlaws than she does her own family.

      Uncle Gary once said she aspired to be lady of the manor and set out to achieve it whilst he is happy to remain who he is, without apologies, no matter his wealth.

      He might have been cut off because he’s given one interview too many in which he has revealed so many intimate details about WK, but if he had no money, he would have been cut off a long time ago.

    • Imo says:

      Don’t really care about extra-familial infighting, perceived snubs, social climbing etc. fact is that Carole, Michael, Kate, Pippa and James are genuinely warmer and closer as a family than the rf.

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      I think Carole is just more controlling than most mother’s and micro-manages her children’s lives for her own social goals.

      Opportunistic and non trusting family maybe afraid to let other’s in.

    • Imo says:

      Nota sugar
      That is some wildly creative conjecture. And yes I realize most of what we all say here is conjecture etc etc. but some of you guys are virtual contortionists in your mission to make everything negative. I’d take Sunday dinner with the social climbers than that disaster of a royal family any day.

      • FLORC says:

        Imo
        No family is without their skeletons. Even if you stripe the Midds down to just the parents and children there is very likely issues being hidden. If it’s perfect you’re missing something.

      • hmmm says:

        But would they have Sunday dinner with you? There’s the rub.

      • FLORC says:

        Imo
        End of the day family is family. I had a grandmother that was very much like how the Queen seems to be. Hated soup, loved a nasty cat named Amber (queen’s corgis) which she fed very well. And while she intruded very little in our lives would always give us anything and say very little. I may have loved her, but found dinners and time spent almost painfully boring. Still, I went. To have chosen time with another family over her occasional requests for dnner after she had given me so much would have been rude to say the least. This family has been seen in public being loving and supportive. I don’t think they’re that cold. Just busy and duty driven.

        This isn’t about who’s family is more fun. William gets all the perks of his family, but will run from them as often as possible. That’s not a trait people should support or justify.
        You like the Midds over the Windsors? Ok. Let’s just not act like Kate and William aren’t exploiting family here. Which it sounds like is happening by you calling 1 stuffy and cold while the other very enjoyable.
        That’s my opinion. I understand you have yours. That’s just how I came to mine.

    • Imo says:

      Lol you guys are hilarious with your side topics, straw man arguments and tangential conjecture. The Mids are close and so obviously you guys have to throw out every theory from your freshman psychology lectures to explain why the Mids have unhealthy connections.
      FLORC
      As always you make thought provoking points but I never get the impression you get your info from anywhere but the internet – no offense. And in order to credibly put out a theory as to whether or not the children are unsuccessful because of the nature of the family relationship you would have to have more information. Nature versus nurture her goes a long way towards explaining personal development in relationship to family dynamics. There are so many layers involved it is impossible to know.
      Hmm
      I doubt the Mids would have me to supper because I have no important connections for them, but surely you clearly understood that was hardly the point though, right?

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Florc ,
        You make some excellent points. Well said.

      • bluhare says:

        Where else would we get information other than the internet? Other than reading books, that is. Honest question; if you’ve got something I’d love to hear it.

      • FLORC says:

        Imo
        Lol. Thank you. I’ve been enjoying my back and forth with you. I really have and hope my comments haven’t come off mean. I’ve had that issue before.

        And while a majority comes from the internet that is the main source many get their news from. It’s got archives instead of saving clipped artciles or old newspapers. I have also read a few bios and royal/BRF books. There’s so much info it’s very interesting. I read a whole coffee style table book on royal secret codes. Like the Queen’s “hand bag” code. I’m straying off point though.

        And i agree. There are so many variables here. None of us are flies on the wall and can know it all. I think speaking only of the Midds. So much info has come out and is credible. It becomes easy to put info together and have it be so plausable (sp?) that it later down the road gets confirmed. It also helps that the Midds have been known to have paps on call and miss Katie N. sure has changed her tune to be sugary sweet in regards to the Midds. Isn’t she now official biographer or unofficial?
        My point s they’ve been leaking info for years. As well as info like Kate’s old Jigsaw boss. With this info do we build theories. And i’ve seen it more often than not sometimes wealthy parents that grew up poor wanted only the best for their children. Not all catch that work ethic bug. Kate’s past decade and then some has only supported her full time job was getting William and the whole family played a role in suporting Kate not pursuing a career. Even the Chelsea flat. Even the short lived jobs only after the Queen asked what Kate does with her time.
        For what it’s worth I was a Kate fan/supporter. And I thought Pippa was a real gogetter. That only faultered once she never seemed to improve her writting skills.

    • Imo says:

      FLORC
      You are repeatedly tossing out comments that don’t reflect the nature of the original post. That would be great and even enjoyable if your intent was to introduce new side topics. But your tone is challenging and you ascribe statements/opinions to me that I never touched upon.
      The silliest part is that I agree with almost every assertion you make about William and Kate’s character so most of your response confuses me. But exactly when did I condone or excuse Will and Kate? When did I say the rf was cold and stuffy? I said and truly believe the Mids are warmer and closer than the royals. I also believe Carole and Mike gave their kids a happier and brighter upbringing than Charles and Diana did. I believe the Mids are easier to be around than the royals.when the tell-all books come out 10-20 years from now we’ll compare notes.
      And I think I should withdraw my unsolicited opinion about where/how you get your royal news and offer Ann apology. I have read countless books, articles etc especially the ones that oppose my beliefs. They are more likely to hold my attention and often change my mind. I am not bothered by different opinions and enjoy the dialogue on cb even when I rarely comment. I’m afraid most here are too solidly pro or anti and do not let new/alternate views sink in. Even worse, they interpret other posters as right or dead wrong and either dismiss or bombard them with their ‘proof’
      Most of the posters I enjoyed are long gone unfortunately but there are still some upbeat moderates left.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        All opinions are fine. When someone says prove it, it’s hilarious to me. :)
        No one needs to prove a thing.

        People have read and followed Kate and William for years and have drawn their own individual conclusions as with any celebrity.

        LAK and FLORC and Notsugarhere ,I enjoy reading your insightful posts.

      • wolfpup says:

        hmmm – I always love your comments (which are not aside from the point, imo). I find them devastatingly funny; with a twist of the surreal.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I personally find FLORC’s analyses compelling, thoughtful, and interesting, IMO. All of our discussions tend to be tangential and wide-ranging, which makes them very enjoyable.

      • bluhare says:

        I agree that we’re all speculating with our own opinions here, and no one owes anyone anything. However, I don’t agree that opinions don’t need to be backed up. If I’m asked why I think a certain way I answer it with why (and I will post a link if necessary or the person won’t give up without a fight!). If people hadn’t done that for me, I’d still be a huge Kate fangirl.

      • FLORC says:

        Imo
        I’m sorry if my comments are a bit difficult to understand. As far as my sentence structure and laying out thoughts it really is best if you view my comments as bllet points. Often on my mobile it’s a more simple way to type. Even worse if i’m using a text translation software. A well worded paragraph gets largely lost in translation by the end of it. Bullet points and typing as my thoughts come can be the least jumbled way.

        And your thoughts here aren’t hard anti or pro either side. You have your opinion and it’s supported. We all lean a certain way, but we admit when we’re wrong. That’s why your comments are so embraced.

        Regarding Charles and Diana/warm family. PreHarry conception wasn’t it said Charles and Diana were deeply in love? They were a blissful family. William was a part of that lovefest. Not every family is perfect. Not every marriage is without fighting. I think the image of the Midds is calculated, but they are not as perfect.
        Sorry, that’s about as jumble free as I can explain this.

        Regarding the cold/stuffy/excusing actions of W/K
        I didn’t mean to quote you. Cold and stuffy were interpretations of the way you phrased your point. How it came off to me.
        That you appeared to say in your comment the sum of it would be more fun to have dinner with the Midds over BRF because they were a more fun and inviting family. Over the cold, distant, stuffy BRF. That is only meant to explain how I read your comment. Not quoting. And by painting the Midds/Windsors that way it almost appeared as thoughyou were justifying william leaning more towards the Midds over is family. How off am I in assuming that was part of your comment?

        And as far as “proof” goes… It’s tough. Soemtimes there’s a link that use to work, but doesn’t anymore. Sometimes stories are buried. After the engagement there was a very real whitewashing of Kate’s and her relationship with William’s old image. Things got rewritten. I’m not just making that up. Others will support that.
        Or proof of something has been seen and confirmed we don’t always repost. Especially with links not always making the cut here.

        For future. If i’m tired my comments will be tough to understand. If my translation siftware crashes it’ll be even worse. If my only source is to cross check words with a web search of “(insert word here) defined” expect a very scattered comment!

  21. AppleOne says:

    Don’t care about the uncle crying alone over this snub, but Carole is having the time of her life! I think this woman should get more press than Pippa’s a$$, seriously. The woman single handedly made this whole entire thing happen!

    • FLORC says:

      With significant help from her brother Gary.

      • AppleOne says:

        Even so. Lots of people get money but not everyone turns it into more money. But I wasn’t really talking about just their finances – I meant the whole thing, that the Middletons are now wouldn’t have happened without the mama.

      • FLORC says:

        Right. I’m not saying Gary gave seed money and Carole never took anymore. Or even made enough to support her lifestyle and family. I’m saying Gary funds the majority. If you give me $100 per month and I make that into $20 profit, but still need that $100 per month am successful? That’s pure luck.

  22. m says:

    What a bunch of takers and users. They are more than happy to have Gary in their lives when he has something to offer but the second they get what they need, they shut him out. He’s a disgusting person but no one deserves to be used by their only family llike that.

  23. Crumpet says:

    LOL @ ‘trusted and wealthy’.

  24. Citresse says:

    Hello again to all the British Royal Family gossipers out there. If any of you are feeling the dry spell from the Cambridge clan, then try the following web site ( hope it goes through) hrhduchesskate(dot)blogspot(dot)ca
    They had a recent poll on Kate’s coats.
    Have a nice weekend.

    • FLORC says:

      That site makes me stabby. Just a place to nurture baseless hate.

      • Citresse says:

        Hate? No hate whatsoever. I wouldn’t suggest a hateful website. The reporting is very neutral I find. And the results of the poll on Kate’s coats and other fashion looks are pretty much on par with opinions on Celebitchy.
        I’ve never read a negative comment on Kate’s heavy eyeliner at that blog. You can really see how heavy the eyeliner in some photos.

      • notasugarhere says:

        FLORC, maybe you’re thinking of katemiddletonduchessordiva or katemiddletonreview? HRHDuchessKate is a fashion blog.

      • FLORC says:

        Nota thank you.
        I am thinking of DorD. While the story there is written pretty basic the comments are horrible. Then the owner of the blog will only reinforce the most hateful comments. When my (and bluhare’s) comments were only corrections it became awful. I left that site on very bad terms.

      • bluhare says:

        FLORC, I remember that. Some of the people who post there are a bit over the top. :) It’s the same at Duchess Kate. Most are pretty reasonable, but there’s a few where anything not positive is taken as a personal insult. I’ve posted quite a bit there, and I like the woman who runs it. I am taking a break from it right now after getting a tad tetchy about people saying people who hold opinions like mine are vile, jealous haters and plot to undermine the monarchy. Most of the time I can laugh at it, but there are times when the fans get more touchy than usual and I bow out. :D

      • Citresse says:

        I don’t post messages at the Kate blogs. I like to view them for updates and for additional photos of Kate’s fashion choices.
        Kate’s hats remind me of the fact I preferred Diana’s hats. Diana was more adventurous in her choice of hats. Kate tends to choose a conservative look which gets repetitive and somewhat dull.
        The photo of Kate posted at the blog when she resumed her public duties at the end of October really revealed her bad eye makeup. She didn’t look well.

      • FLORC says:

        Bluhare
        Haha oh those were some vile comments. Around surrogate era rumors I left. It was just madness.
        I liked her too, but took issue with how such terrible comments wishing ill upon her and George who was yet to be born.
        I wouldn’t contribute to that. And contributing was something I was approached for.
        Bowing out is never a bad thing in those cases. I do enjoy this blog though. Great diversity.

        Citresse
        All of 80′s fashion was risky! Ugh. Come the 90′s I remember my mom having me cut out all her shoulder pads from her blouses.

        I don’t think Kate has found her professional style yet. gf Kate has awesome style. I’m wondering if she sees things and thinks that is fit for her image she wants out. Or if someone is telling her that looks good. I still like her casual and personal style in private time.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I gave up on HRHDuchessKate after reading the Remembrance Day poppy discussion. Their insistence that it was a certain type of flower that had poppy in the name meant it was a poppy. Nope, fanatics, sorry, you cannot change the fact that Middleton failed to wear a poppy on Remembrance Day.

      • Citresse says:

        Notasugarhere
        Do you happen to recall the year of the Remembrance you mention?
        There seems to be some deviation in recent times with respect to wearing the poppy. It should be a single poppy but I noted Camilla one year wearing what appeared as a different poppy design as a bunched look. Times change but in this case, tradition should rule.

      • bluhare says:

        Citresse, it was this past November when Kate wore a gifted brooch that isn’t a poppy, it’s a variety of anemone.

        notasugar, you are a weeny! That discussion faded with the wind once it was pointed out a poppy anemone is not exactly a poppy. That one was nothing. Someone came back at me with how they only have two staff and that was a month or so ago. People will always tie themselves in knots to avoid either (a) being wrong, or (b) altering their view and that goes for non-fans too.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Bluhare, when I know there will be no logic but rather lots of, “You’re a hater” (the general response on that site), I do retreat!

        Citresse, Camilla wore multiple paper poppies – related to specific family members of hers who had been in the service. A “source” indicated that in Middleton’s first year or two, she wore a cluster of them because she thought they looked festive. As per usual, Middleton missed the point.

      • Citresse says:

        Bluhare-right, I see what you mean.
        I was thinking it was the same year she was standing there twirling her hair.

      • Citresse says:

        Notasugarhere
        Festive???? lol
        Carole and Mike should have cut Kate off (money) after she finished at St. Andrews.
        That matures people pretty quickly
        (usually).
        Diana wasn’t necessarily cut off financially from the Spencers though note she likely had to adhere to a strict budget ( she took in roomies ), drove a modest vehicle and she held at least two jobs concurrently between 1979-1980.
        I miss Diana.

      • LAK says:

        Kate wore a bunch of poppies because they were festive!!!!! ROFL

        Love it!!

    • Citresse says:

      Yes I remember 80s fashion- I wore them.
      There are still choices Kate could make that are more interesting and appropriate than the unusual colours she chooses (black to visit children’s centre and pink to 9/11 memorial) and then the repetitive conservative style we keep seeing from her hats mixed with higher hemlines at inappropriate times. First, though, she really needs a hair and make- up (lessons) makeover and the rest can follow.

  25. MinnFinn says:

    I believe Carole is celebrating her birthday in Mustique. It’s anybody’s guess as to whether the other tidbits are true. Remember all the details about a baby shower for Kate at Middleton manor? Turned out to be total fabrication.

  26. Denise says:

    These people don’t have a life, they have a lifestyle. They spend their days trying to impress and keep up. How empty and pathetic.

  27. AppleOne says:

    It’s her birthday and she’s entitled to invite or leave out whomever she wants.

  28. weegiewarrior says:

    The middletons are pure chav royalty. Their association with the BRF cant be sustained for any length of time. Uncle gary or his missus will spill and all hell will break loose.

  29. Reece says:

    Didn’t he hit his use by date in April ’11?

    • Citresse says:

      His (William) hairline certainly did.
      Honestly, William’s hair loss was/is quite a rapid pace. View the engagement photos/videos v the actual wedding day.
      There are many options out there but I guess William is intent on the planned comb-over. Boo.
      Best option other than hair replacement therapy is to go the Uncle Gary route. Clip what’s left quite short (Kojak bald even) and then grow a goatee as the accessory.

  30. oce says:

    Even though the Duchess and Pippa are my age group, I have always thought that Carole Middleton is the MOST fascinating person in that whole clan, given what she has helped her family pull off. Say what you will about that nuclear family (i.e., social climbers, users, poor work ethic example, Waity Katie, blah blah, etc). However, in the business world, if this whole 15 year plan/scheme she “invested” in were to equate to an actual investment, I think it would be priceless. The return on Carole’s investment (or Gary Middleton’s investment, blah blah) is reaping countless dividends. Carole was very shrewd, and would be seen as a very strategic woman with great forsight. On the eve of her 60th birthday she is no doubt laughing (or smirking) all the way to Mustique. *Slow clap from my desk..*