Linnocent claimed Heath Ledger was the love of her life in her 2008 diary

Heath Ledger’s death in 2008 was a tragedy. It was a tragedy because the world lost a brilliant, talented, amazing actor who still had decades of performances left. It was a tragedy because a young girl lost her father, because Heath’s parents lost their son, because Heath lived a big life with a lot of friends, and his absence is still felt in their lives too.

Heath’s death was also a tragedy because now every random chick that he had a one night stand with thinks that she was his last great love. Let’s take Lindsay Lohan – LL has forced this postmortem connection to Heath for several years now. Evidence suggests that Heath and Lindsay did know each other in the months before his death. I will even guess that they had a sexual or romantic relationship, however brief. What I will not EVER believe is that LL and Heath had some great love affair, or that he wasn’t spending time with several different women before his death. But in Linnocent’s mind, Heath was her Joe DiMaggio (because she’s Marilyn Monroe).

Many mysteries still surround Heath Ledger’s 2008 death but a personal diary that Lindsay Lohan kept holds deep-rooted secrets, Star magazine is exclusively reporting via RadarOnline.com.

In a world exclusive, Star has obtained the private memoir of the 25-year-old actress penned at the time of the Brokeback Mountain star’s death in which she professed her love for the actor.

“Today Heath died,” Lindsay wrote with a pink pen on January 22, 2008. “I’m in love with him…. He was the love of my life. He taught me so much, and he was everything I’ve ever wanted and more.

“I want to hear him laugh and hold me. I crave his touch and care.”

The couple were so close that the Mean Girls star was even planning to visit Ledger in New York City just days after he died from an overdose of prescription drugs, Star exclusively reveals in the new issue.

Lindsay, who has famously battled her own demons with drugs and drink, broke down in tears when she heard the news that Heath had died. “When a person dies the world stops. I’m numb,” she wrote.

In a 2008 phone conversation obtained by RadarOnline.com, Lohan’s mom, Dina, told dad Michael that their daughter was “dating Heath when he died.”

[From Radar]

Yes, in taped conversations between Michael and Dina Lohan – in which they were both battling for Worst Parent of the Century – Dina did claim that LL was “dating” Heath before he died. But that’s second-hand information from a crackhead to another crackhead. There’s also the matter of how Radar/Star got their hands on “Lindsay’s Diary”. Is the crackie selling off her diaries now? Or is Dina selling off LL’s stuff in a cracked-out “fire sale”?

Photos courtesy of WENN.

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  1. ShanKat says:

    Junkie love. She’s delusional, and he was whacked out of his bald skull.

  2. JaneWonderfalls says:

    To Lindsay: Don’t you dare taint the memory of Heath Ledger with this BS!!!

    • Brent says:

      Ikr? This is wacked out from Lohan. Heath was dating Gemma Ward,whom he spent his last X-mas with his parents in Australia. Lohan was dating some dude she met in Rehab at the time and then there were infamous pics of her making out with not 1 but 3 dudes in Italy on new years eve. Lmao!

  3. Happy21 says:

    Oh jeezus! Of course she was, he’s not here to defend himself!

  4. Birdix says:

    Sad for his daughter that people are cashing in on his memory.

  5. Criss says:

    This story is beyond words. He obviously had major problems with drugs, whether daily or just the one time “to relax” It killed him. If he slept with her in a altered state of mind, ugh.

  6. Kit says:

    This is just wrong on so many levels. It makes me feel sick.

  7. Nev says:

    could that be what she is reeling from???

    could she be battling her bi-sexual tendecies?

    her unfortunate parenting?

    these are some reasons as to why she is behaving the way she is…

  8. brin says:

    Nah…even back then, the love of her life was crack.

  9. rissa says:

    his COFFIN is rolling in the ground

  10. TheOriginalKitten says:

    I think I just heard Heath rolling over in his grave. Let the poor man rest in peace.

  11. whatevs says:

    eww. and now taking advantage of the memory of a dead man. classy as always.

  12. Chelsey says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…:takes breath:…HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

    Sorry, just had to get that out. Oh, you crackhead. The funny things that come out of your mouth.

  13. hillbilly in the corner says:

    Could it be that this is Lohan Inc way of spinning it so that she doesn’t look like a lesbian for Playboys release…Men don’t want to look at a naked Lesbian while you know at least most don’t so what better way to show she’s not..as isn’t it convenient that the man is dead and can’t defend hiself from her tale that she tried in 2009 and nobody believed her then either….And lastly they are starting on the poor abused and feel sorry or poor Lindsay Campaign and need a scapegoat to blame her drug and drinking problems on …who better then a man who was a know drug addict who died of a overdose ..
    Wonder what Mary Kaye Olsen will think of this tale or Michele Williams the mother of his child… Hell he might have had a bootie call with her one time up thats nothing she’s would sleep with anything man or woman who she can get money or drugs from…

    • cmc says:

      Men don’t want to look at a naked lesbian?? On what planet?

      Now, if you’d said men don’t want to look at a naked Lohan, I’d buy it- but even then, she has huge boobs so I’m betting her issue will sell. Whatever. I’m just laughing at the trainwreck over here.

    • MissyA says:

      “Could it be that this is Lohan Inc way of spinning it so that she doesn’t look like a lesbian for Playboys release…Men don’t want to look at a naked Lesbian while you know at least most don’t so what better way to show she’s not..”

      I think you’re on to something.

      Lady McMeth has been lying* low for a while before her big Playboy debut, no doubt attempting to keep her nose clean to ensure maximum pay out. (Oh, and that pesky “court date” business that keeps popping up.) I’m sure this incredibly introspective and private “diary” “accidently” fell into a publisher’s lap – completely by accident, of course – at an incredibly fortunate time for the Lohans.

      I mean, if someone were to commit such an egregious violation of trust by publishing such an intimate and private record, it might as well be mutually beneficial, right? Like reminding target audienc-er-people (males 18-65) that Ms Lohan has had numerous heterosexual relationships before, (during,) and after her most infamous relationship with Sam Ronson. Makes Lohan look more “attainable” if the last person Lohan was linked to had a schlong – and that “attainability” directly translates to sales.

      Curiouser and curiouser. . .

    • puhleeze says:

      What does Trollsen have to do with it, oOr Michelle Williams his, you know, EX? You should ask yourself what his real gf, Gemma Ward, thinks about it. The poor woman piled on weight and retired from modelling after his death.

  14. Cathy says:

    No way, I can’t believe that. Just another one of her bullshit lies.

    • EmmaStoneWannabe says:

      Agreed. At any point, someone could grab a notebook and predate an entry/entries to make it look real. Also, how do these supposed phone convos get recorded, and why? Unless there is an FBI investigation going on, I just don’t get it.

  15. lucy2 says:

    Every time I think these people are the lowest of the low, they go even further down.
    She’s delusional and/or was just trying to associate herself with him to up her own image. I don’t believe for a second that they were “dating”.

  16. Lara says:

    Wow, he had crap taste in women towards the end. Crackhead Lohan and Anorexic Olsen?

    • MorticiansDoItDeader says:

      Yea. I was pretty sure he was dating one of the Trollson twins right before he died?

      • mln76 says:

        Yes I think he was just skanking all over town licking his wounds from the fact that Michelle wouldn’t tolerate the drug use.

      • Carolyn says:

        Strange. It was heavily reported that Heath was in the early phase of a relationship with model Gemma Ward. Ward totally dropped off the modelling planet after Heath’s death to cope with grief. Ward hasn’t really commented on Heath. PS how does a trashmag get “info” like this? I do recall Lohan making claims of a connection with him at the time of his death. Maybe they shared the same dealer.

      • puhleeze says:

        He wasn’t. His last gf’s name is Gemma Ward. She admitted they were in a relationship, spent their winter holiday with each other’s families in Australia and everything. She even met Matilda. Lohan, Trollsen and Christiansen are bullshit rumors or in Lohan’s case, lies.

      • mln76 says:

        @puhleeze & Carolyn Actually there was some relationship with Ashley(?) Olsen at the time of his death. The masseuse who found him called her instead of the police because he had seen them together as a couple. It’s obvious that he was sleeping around with a lot of girls. The kind of self-destructive behavior that goes with drug use.

      • puhleeze says:

        @ mln76: there was no romantic relationship there. They were in the same posse along with Hartnett. Christiansen so on. Gemma Ward, his gf, was also part of the same gang. Btw the masseuse was a woman. Obvious??? LOL, it’s obvious he was dating Ward who met his daughter and family. He met hers. They spend their winter holidays together as a couple, then when he died she got fat and dropped the modelling.

  17. fabgrrl says:

    Heath can do better. No, I don’t mean, “could have done better”, I mean right now, dead and buried, Heath Ledger’s ghost can do better than this.

  18. EmmaStoneWannabe says:

    Michelle, just cut her already.

  19. boo says:

    My questions is, how did they get Lohan’s diary? That’s just sketchy as all get out. Well, if its Lohan, it’s sketchy.

    • Cherry Rose says:

      Probably sent in by Dina or Lindsay herself, complete with burn marks and crack powder residue, along with snot stains and wine stains all over the pages.

      And I’m sure all the words were misspelled too, because education is not a priority for the Lohans.

  20. skuddles says:

    Wasn’t he supposedly dating MK Olsen and model Helena Christianson at the time of his death?? Possible he took a stoned stab at the very easy Lohan but whoring it up with a whore does not a love affair make. Too funny about how Star ended up with Lilo’s private “diary” – this family is obviously VERY desperate for money and attention.

    • lonnie golightly says:

      I THINK he was dating Australian model (turned actress), Gemma Ward. She did an interview about it.

      • skuddles says:

        Oh that’s right too! I forgot about her…. Sounds like he had a few babes on the go right before he died. So amusing that Lohan is trying to play it like they had some big romance.

  21. Blue says:

    Delusions of a 22 yo druggie. Also for all we know this botch wrote in that diary last week. And how pathetic is it that her parents are recording conversations. Smh.

    • MorticiansDoItDeader says:

      You know their conversations consist of baiting each other to say something tabloid worthy do they can make a quick buck selling a few sound bites. Pathetic, the both of them.

  22. Incredulous says:

    Love of your life, eh? It must be all down hill after Heath died. You know what you must do, Lindsay, you must join him in death.

  23. Nev says:

    but why are we blaming her? maybe its a made up story.

  24. Madisyn says:

    Mornin Hillbilly

    Has ‘Agent Orange’ left you alone today? I haven’t been over there yet. I felt bad for you but decided to mind my business cuz you we’re taking care of yourself JUST FINE and you had a little ‘back up’ as well. Don’t pay any attention to the jerks, I try not too but sometimes its hard and you just need to stand up for yourself. Touche!

    This is nothing more than Dina calling ROL for a quick buck. Obviously that PB check hasn’t cleared yet. Linnocent was not ‘dating’ Ledger. She probably wasn’t even schtupping him either. Passed him on the street once or saw him in a hotel bar. You know Blohan, that constitutes ‘dating’. Just like with Guy Berryman of Cold Play. Same thing here.

    As we’ve all witnessed in the past, this twit will ‘associate’ herself with anyone more RICH or FAMOUS than herself. Its old news and a out and out lie, a poor one at that!

  25. Lana says:

    Does anyone else think LL may have an unhealthy envy of Michelle Williams? Michelle has Oscar nods. Michelle plays Marilyn Monroe in a movie w/ Oscar buzz. Michelle was loved by Heath. LL is very sad.

    • fabgrrl says:

      Good call.

    • mia girl says:

      THIS! I was going to make the same type of comment. Lohan probably has a voodoo doll in her freezer with pins in it that resembles Williams.

    • lucy2 says:

      Oooh, I didn’t think of that, but I bet you’re right. She’s probably insanely jealous of the Marilyn movie (which I’ve heard is good) and she’s an awful person who would stoop to any level, so it makes total sense.

      • normades says:

        Ding, ding, ding! When I was reading this story I was like “why Heath now?”. It’s the Marilyn thing.

  26. Eleonor says:

    Lindsay or Dina are selling her “diary”…playboys money are just over?

  27. Bess says:

    I agree that this “secret diary from 2008″ is a plant by either Michael Sr., Mother Crackhead or Linnocent.

    I’m still looking forward to december 14 when we will all find out just how many hours of CS the Crackhead completed.

  28. Ell says:

    The Lohan’s lowest move yet. It was obvious Michelle was the love of his life. If Heath had turned his life around like some do I have a feeling they may have reunited.

    • manu says:

      HL was cheating on MW so no she wasn’t the love of his life. What held that relationship somewhat together for three years was the baby but even that wasn’t enough because he wasn’t ready to be tied down.

  29. kieslowski says:

    This is even low for Lohan, this is just so gross. Poor Matilda Ledger, hopefully by the time she grows up all traces of Cracken’s association with her Dad will be forgotten.

  30. diane says:

    Hang it up honey, no one cares.

  31. jesstar says:

    No.

  32. Turtle Dove says:

    Seeing Heath’s picture makes me miss him, and I didn’t even know the man. :( Brokeback is one of my favorites; he should have received an Oscar for it.

  33. Alexis says:

    Right. Wow, for some reason, what with all the crackphotos to look at, I forgot that she’s bisexual. I mean…just as an observer, it seems like her most meaningful relationship so far was with Sam Ronson, but this is a good way to seem more attainable to hetero male Playboy readers and get headlines, *shrug*.

  34. bigorexia says:

    Donatella Versace is looking good in that last picture.

  35. Tierra says:

    this is low even for the Lohan’s. I hope Michelle or whichever Olsen twin he was involved with calls her out on her lies.
    I have a feeling there never was a ‘diary’ back then, dumb dina probably just wrote some words down and made it about a celeb who would gain some press but cant defend himself…HL.
    I would love to know what other celebs with actual talent and respect, like Michelle, think of her delusions. It wouldnt be so bad if she kept them to herself but they’re making money off these phony stories. Somebody seriously needs to kick this family out of the country.

  36. G says:

    December 6, 2011

    Dear Diary.

    Wait till I get my grimy crackfingers on Heath Leger’s memory. Everyone will see me differently then. Everyone in Hollywood loves to work with someone who releases embarrassing intimate lies about them years later to push naked pictures.

    I hope Ellen doesn’t hit on me next week.

    Kisses to you Dear Diary…..

    • Tierra says:

      dont forget the part about showing Michelle who really should have played Marilyn Monroe.

      I have a feeling that has something to do with this.

  37. Mimi says:

    I SO hope Michelle Williams gets a chance to smack the crack out of this bitch.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Not physically possible. Too much crack in the system. But I DO hope she smacks that bitch up!

  38. NM9005 says:

    Enough with pissing on his grave by talking about him, whether it’s positive or negative. Lohan, Williams whoever does it, it’s tacky. Cherish him in your heart, mind, soul whatever but stop dragging the media in it, that’s just exploitating for your OWN image so very selfish.

    • fabgrrl says:

      I don’t think you should paint Michelle Williams with the same brush as Lohan. They had a child together – Ledger and Williams. Expecting her to not talk about her child’s father is extreme. Besides, she has always seemed respectful of his memory.

      • NM9005 says:

        Ledger and Williams infamously hated media intrusions but now she finds it more and more ok to talk about the relationship? She is a good actress and mother and all what you want but so depressing and she uses Ledger’s death to reinforce that. In general, they only dated for three years, a child came out of it and suffice to say he had a lot of problems that seem to be idealised now. His last years were not as giddy as portrayed but I get what you’re saying and do not categorize Lohan and Williams in the same box but I had hoped Williams would be more “subtle” about it (that haircut thingy is just too much for me).
        Lohan and those others that deem themselves an important figure in his short life (not Williams) are just a bunch of douchebags capitalizing on his talent and name.

  39. the original bellaluna says:

    Will the fame-whoring delusions never end? I’m sorry, but I think Michelle was the love and Heath’s life and he her’s. Does Linnocent think she’s Marilyn AND Michelle? Next she’ll be taking credit for starring in Michelle’s Marilyn movie. (Just the thought of all these delusions is giving me a head-ache.)

    IF Blohan hooked up with him, it was exactly that: a hook up.

    *raises cracktini to the Usual Suspects*

  40. MorticiansDoItDeader says:

    Next she’ll claim she was secretly engaged to Michael Jackson.

    **waves @madisyn @the original bella**

  41. assistantrachel says:

    Bitch, please! Anything to stay relevent, huh?

  42. Newtsgal says:

    *WAVES* Afternoon ladies!
    First let me start with HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    (takes breath)
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Hey ol Linds……I didn’t think it was possible for you to go any lower in life but, I was wrong. This is just one more sad step down the spiral staircase of delusion that IS your sad little life. Riding on coattails and spreadin’ eagle does not make a career.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Yes, isn’t that usually how a career STARTS?

      (And I seriously doubt her cover was “leaked” as ROL is claiming. It was done deliberately to try to stir interest.)

    • Madisyn says:

      *Waving back* at Newtsgal

      Can I join you in those ‘Ha’s’.

      This has ‘Lohan Inc’ written all over it. I’ll say it again, ‘anything that is POSITIVE, LEAKED, or from a SOURCE’ is from ‘Lohan Inc.’

  43. Newtsgal says:

    One more nugget to chew on….
    IF…..there was any truth to parts of her “diary” being obtained….why isn’t ol Linds jumping on her soapbox crying foul and threatening lawsuits for invasion of privacy. I mean damn, wouldn’t this be more of an invasion than having your name dropped on a commercial or in a song.
    And lastly……Can I tell ya’ll just how disappointed I am in ELLEN for having LL on the show. I thought she was more of a family show and had more class than that!

    • MacScore says:

      Yeah, good call Newtsgal! I’ve seen old interviews with Blohan on Ellen, where Ellen basically tells her “everyone loves her and wishes her the best” – speak for yourself, say I. Is it the bisexual / gay support network? Can’t Ellen see through this sad, wasted piece of garbage?
      Laughing that Lilo’s “diary” was “written in pink” – oh yeah, coz that’s the go-to colour when expressing grief. Did she draw little sad faces on it too? Also, totally agree that this must have been a plant, otherwise the lawsuits would be flying by now.
      Looking forward to the 14th, and the comments from all the usual suspects. *haven’t had a cracktini for ages! It’s time!*

  44. Hellen says:

    Now we know what she has been doing during this period of temporary invisibility….practicing her handwriting with a pink pen. I’m sure White Oprah told her what to write, since LL probably can’t form any coherent thoughts of her own any longer.

    Total cracked-out PR payday strategy.

  45. dorothy says:

    So we’re supposed to believe that her diary just “happened” to come out? Just more flights of fancy from the delusional one. Sad really…no one believes it, yet I’m sure she does.

  46. skeptical says:

    Oh, Ellen, my dear dear Ellen… why must you be sooo kind and forgiving that you will have the Crackie darken your show?
    Last time Ellen dropped a big bucket of hints on Crackie’s deluded skull. Ofc Crackie had none of it. I wonder what sweet non-judgmental Ellen will do this time?
    Someone else will have to watch it first though, because if it’s Ellen being a kissup then I’d rather not. I don’t even like dear Ellen being in the same room as the Crackie.
    I’ll still watch Ellen’s show with other guests though. Ellen’s one of those Jane Bennet types. Can’t think ill of anyone.

    So blohan claims Heath was the love of her life huh… wasn’t blohan with Ronson in 2008? Guess she really was just after Ronson’s wallet. And to make some tabloid hits. Ronson was an easy mark. Hope she can stay away from the cracknanigans. Ronson’s got rheumatoid arthritis and doesn’t need to be dealing with blohan’s crap.

    • G says:

      Arranged by Playboy to push the issue. On her own, she’s cryptonite.

    • Newtsgal says:

      After a quick net search I found a interview of ol Linds, it’s taken from the Loveline show on 9/21/2008 with Sam and Linds talking about the Barker/DJ AM accident and how they found out. Linds said that her and Sam were in bed “sleepin” that morning. When asked how long the two had been dating Lindsay says “a very long time”.
      Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmm…….So just when did this great love of your life with Heath suppose to have happened?

  47. puhleeze says:

    Lots of clueless peeps on here. Neither Lohan, Trollsen or Christensen dated Heath Ledger before he died. His girlfriend was a model from his hometown called Gemma Ward. She only spoke once about it, admitted they were in a relationship and that it was very private. The rest is BULLSHIT.

    • Newtsgal says:

      I read that Heath and Gemma were dating and had even spent Christmas 2007 together in Perth just before his death and after she took time off, almost 3 yrs. to deal with it. Sounds like something more than a quick bumpin uglies.

      • puhleeze says:

        I mean, he wouldn’t have allowed someone he was merely banging to meet his daughter. Then he spent xmas with her and her family. Yeah, the woman was huge in the modelling biz when he died then she quit.

  48. dorothy says:

    This whole thing just REEKS of pathetic attempt for attention. This does not help her image.

    • Madisyn says:

      ‘Reeks’ and ‘Pathetic’, don’t those two words go hand in hand when it comes to Blohan?

  49. Amanda says:

    DIdn’t he pass away in the Olsen twins apartment or something? I thought he was dating one of the twins?Why is this coming out now? Almost 4 years later. Did she get paid for this story?

  50. Newtsgal says:

    Ol Linds had to makeup a story about a dead guy who can’t defend himself…….cuz, there ain’t a live one out there that wants to be tied socially with her. I wish that Williams/ Ledger family could sue her dumbass, at least beat her ass with a traffic cone……now that’s a pictorial I’d buy!

  51. logan says:

    If and this is a big If, Heath had anything to do with Miz Crack-a-lack I am telling myself it is because he lost a bet. Yep that’s it, he lost a bet.

  52. juju says:

    OH PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK SO FULL OF SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. kimberly says:

    Lindsay’s a bag bitch

    (some of you know what I mean, and are shaking your heads yes)

  54. Amanda says:

    Heath had problems, but he was a great actor. Why does Lindsay tarnish his memory?

  55. Bambi says:

    Sadly, I actually can see what Lindsay Lohan is referencing. I don’t believe that Heath was the love of her life, but I do believe that they had some sort of connection. Sex? Drugs? I don’t especially care, however:

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/dina-lohan-says-lindsay-lohan-and-heath-ledger-were-dating-when-he-died/story-e6frfmvr-1225796374802

  56. dean travers says:

    Why don’t you all just kill her and get it over with? Good Heavens, you know what a major difference is between LL and most of her contemporaries is? She can’t handle her shit. She is an addict born to addicts and she is “getting hers” in spades. Chill out on the chick, saying you were in love with someone who died 4 years ago isn’t that scandalous..this girl never stood a chance and she isn’t happy. What more do you need?

    • Brent says:

      Please, she was banging dudes left and right at that point. There are pics of her straddling some old man in italy in januray 2007 and making out with another. After heath died she would have you think it was some great romance. But is that how you behave when you met the love of your life? She is delusional and likes to connect her name to famous people.

  57. Mava says:

    …as if she could love anyone but herself.

    • dean travers says:

      Not to keep randomly defending this chick…but COME ON!!! She doesn’t love herself, she mutilated herself..she is willing to go to any extreme for attention,she is like a shadow person. I feel oddly protective because I was an obnoxious drugged out teen as well…Imma be honest, if I had tons of money and enablers all around me, (and that f’ed up family of grifters)I would probably be the same way. I’ll say it again..she really didn’t stand a chance.

  58. Lady_Luck says:

    She is truly disgusting.

  59. Jazz says:

    This bitch will do anything for publicity, even dragging a dead man’s memory into it, when he’s not here to defend himself. Don’t know if he ever had anything going with the Olson troll or anyone else but he was dating Gemma Ward, they spent Christmas in Perth together. The only other girls he brought home to Perth that I can recall were Michelle, and Naomi Watts. Didn’t know that Gemma had quit modelling though.

    And why is this bitch on Ellen? Just to promote a Playboy cover??

  60. bagladey says:

    Lie! I don’t believe that they had a relationship and shame on her for using Heath’s name to get attention. For the sake of Heath’s daughter Lilo should keep Heath’s name out of her mess.

  61. dean travers says:

    One more rant-y thing, did anyone here know Heath Ledger? Did his talent grant him some sainthood pass in the afterlife? Seemed like a nice enough dude who enjoyed substances, no reason that little Linds wouldn’t have made a fine playmate on occasion. Why is everyone so pissed? She didn’t say SHE was the love of his life. I need to stop with this unhealthy investment with this! Trust me though, if she does die prematurely it will be sad.Not shocking or a tragedy but sad.